love2av8

At eagle when you eventually upgrade (if same equipment), you will get the QUG ground and 2 weeks o sim. At the end you will only get a PC because you already have a rating.

MasterOfPuppets

As I have said before if you can't pass type ride in a plane you have been an FO in then you have other problems that are not the airlines fault.

There is no difference between a CA oral and an FO oral unless you are a lazy pilot who only does "the FO job" and never pay attention to the FOM/GOM. If you are one of those then you deserve to fail.

As far as new hires go study. Don't drink beer every night these aircraft are not simple especially the Q. YOU MUST KNOW LIMITATIONS AND CALL OUTS. Practice them learn them know them. Don't think you can learn just enough and get by because you wont.

You are going to have to learn a lot of aircraft and GOMs in your career so start good study habbits now.

mooney

both untrue and/or exaggerated or misinformed. The FO does a warm up sim, where they are the PM for the CA on his PC. They then get and ADDITIONAL 3 hours of being the pilot flying doing v1 cuts, single engine missed approaches and the like in preparation for their ATP ride. Is this the best way to do it? Probably not. But let's not act like they are fresh meat getting thrown to the hungry lions.

For the oral with "no training at all", they should study on their own, not expect to be spoon fed everything on day 1. Day 1 they get a practice oral, which is exactly like the ATP/type oral they will receive on day 2. If you show up for day 1 not knowing your limitations (that you should have known since being a new hire), what happens when you push the fire switch light, or what all 14th stage bleed air is used for, or alternate wx mins you will either not be signed off to do your ATP the next day or you will pink slip.

Karma

Why not....?

rotorhead1026

I'll note that these f/o's are in many cases doing their initial ATP's as well as the type (SIC or PIC). The initial ATP is usually a bit tougher, especially the oral, which may account for some of the problem. Este Paratus.

MD90PIC

I know two people at Shuttle who recently upgraded from Chautauqua. They were in indoc/system/sim with around 17 new hires. I understand that a few new hires (prior CFI,etc) had some trouble but they were quickly retrained and checked out. The people I know over at Republic have good things to say about the training but complain every time I speak with them about the current contract. I don't know any new hires, but I can't imagine their training experience being that different from any other cheap regional.

stamps

Disregard. Found the answer to my training questions in this post: http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...-training.html

sidelinesam

Any idea what the average new-hire class size is at Republic?

typical41

My FO type ride at pinnacle (keep in mind this was only removing the SIC, already had my atp on the saab) was crazy. I was asked to explain all the different climb segments, asked numerous questions on accelerate-go and accelerate-stop distances. Asked just about every regulation in the book. Seriously we spent 1, yes 1 minute, on limitations, and about 5-7 minutes on systems. About 2-3 minutes on walk around slides. Everything else was regulations. Takeoff alternates, cat 2, when can you use cat 2 mins for planning, 3585, alternates, CL65 flap restrictions and how they apply to every alternate, etc. Since we did not have to review my logbooks, I got grilled for about 3-3.5 hours on just about the entire FOM, and other 121 regulations. Luckily, I guess he like my answers, b.c. he said I did very well. I would hate to see what the full ATP rides were like, although at the same time, it would have been nice if he had to review my logbooks, that would have taken time away from him being able to ask about the 2 different types of ELT antenaes we have on the crj200 (yes that was seriously asked).

My point is, Pinnacle is not giving a consistent type ride to all applicants, and they are telling people to expect this and that on the type ride, and a lot of times guys/gals dont get this or that at all, you get something totally different; and to be honest a lot of stuff that has no place in type ride oral. Type ride pc's are supposed to be about the aircraft, not random regulations that are not taught, nor emphasized at all within their very own training department.

MasterOfPuppets

Oh no you got asked questions about the FOM....God forbid!

I seriously think some of you think you should walk in and have your ATP and type handed to you.

All of that stuff belongs on a type ride its not just about the aircraft its about the regulations just as much if not more.

As type rated pilot at your airline you need to know ALL of that off the top of your head even as an FO.