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TurbineTime 04-26-2016 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2117302)
Do you have a link where Delta said that?



Primeclerk.com. In the docket section dealing with the first petition for DIP financing from delta. Don't have a link for the endeavor part of my comment, but it has been discussed here.

Is offline 04-26-2016 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by TurbineTime (Post 2117292)
Delta has explicitly said they will not require RAH to give up either of their contracts with AA or United. Pretty sure they even passed this along to the Endeavor MEC.

Just because it happened in the past, doesn't mean it is relevant or will happen in this case, no matter how much some wish it to be so.

Ya that is not what they said to the court. That 75 mill will be spent the way they want it. Why do you think they were looking for financing elsewhere and everyone had objections to the loan?

29Eleven 04-26-2016 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by Is offline (Post 2117325)
Ya that is not what they said to the court. That 75 mill will be spent the way they want it. Why do you think they were looking for financing elsewhere and everyone had objections to the loan?

They had other options for the financing. Why do you think almost all objections were dropped?

Paid2fly 04-26-2016 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by 4V14T0R (Post 2117166)
Wait what did we do? Try to fight for a better contract? Let me know next time you're up for one and you demand and get one on your terms. I'm glad that appears to be one-sided to you.

What I am irritated at is the salivation by the vultures on this board who seem to have no regard for others lives or families at the expense of a seniority number. Flying moves around. It happens. Show some respect is all I ask.







What did you do?

You and many others went to work for BB while the pilots that already worked for him were telling everyone not to come there because they had been trying to get a fair contract for 7 years, with no leverage as long as BB could keep getting new meat in the seats.

SkyWago 04-26-2016 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by 4V14T0R (Post 2117166)
Wait what did we do? Try to fight for a better contract? Let me know next time you're up for one and you demand and get one on your terms. I'm glad that appears to be one-sided to you.

What I am irritated at is the salivation by the vultures on this board who seem to have no regard for others lives or families at the expense of a seniority number. Flying moves around. It happens. Show some respect is all I ask.

This has been said by so many pilots from so many regionals after gaining work from others who and had families that were affected. Like you said, "flying moves around" and some places want flying back after losing it years ago.

404yxl 04-27-2016 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by 4V14T0R (Post 2117166)
Wait what did we do? Try to fight for a better contract? Let me know next time you're up for one and you demand and get one on your terms. I'm glad that appears to be one-sided to you.

What I am irritated at is the salivation by the vultures on this board who seem to have no regard for others lives or families at the expense of a seniority number. Flying moves around. It happens. Show some respect is all I ask.

History, it's a funny thing. You can't ignore it. The reason why we are at, where we are at, is in part because of what RAH did to XJT, as well as others regionals affecting other established regoinals (ACA, Comair, Eagle, Horizon, etc. all being attacked in the race to go cheaper).

To get upset that similar circumstances are now happening at RAH is just pure comedy.

The reason why it is happening is because RAH was in large part, responsible for setting this all in motion. Wake up.


Originally Posted by 4V14T0R (Post 2117241)
That may very well be true. I was not around then. I hardly think I would resort to these low rent tactics of belittling peers who could just have easily found themselves in a similar or more dire situation. This may be an anonymous board, but conducting ourselves like children in any environment should not be tolerated given the responsibility given to us on a daily basis. Aquaticus, this is not directed at you. I also realize this is likely falling on many deaf ears.

No excuse. Good people lost their livelihoods and lives during XJT furlough. Some of them would not have been doing what they were doing when they died had it not been for the furlough (at least one died during a construction accident that he would not have been doing otherwise). Divorces led on by the financial struggles and I believe at least one suicide as well.

So when you complain about others "stealing" "your flying", put all of this in context when you wonder why some of them may not be feeling the sympathy for you, that you think you deserve.

TalkTurkey 04-27-2016 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by 404yxl (Post 2117529)
History, it's a funny thing. You can't ignore it. The reason why we are at, where we are at, is in part because of what RAH did to XJT, as well as others regionals affecting other established regoinals (ACA, Comair, Eagle, Horizon, etc. all being attacked in the race to go cheaper).

To get upset that similar circumstances are now happening at RAH is just pure comedy.

The reason why it is happening is because RAH was in large part, responsible for setting this all in motion. Wake up.


No excuse. Good people lost their livelihoods and lives during XJT furlough. Some of them would not have been doing what they were doing when they died had it not been for the furlough (at least one died during a construction accident that he would not have been doing otherwise). Divorces led on by the financial struggles and I believe at least one suicide as well.

So when you complain about others "stealing" "your flying", put all of this in context when you wonder why some of them may not be feeling the sympathy for you, that you think you deserve.

Dude, you need to get your head examined.

4V14T0R 04-27-2016 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by 404yxl (Post 2117529)
History, it's a funny thing. You can't ignore it. The reason why we are at, where we are at, is in part because of what RAH did to XJT, as well as others regionals affecting other established regoinals (ACA, Comair, Eagle, Horizon, etc. all being attacked in the race to go cheaper).

To get upset that similar circumstances are now happening at RAH is just pure comedy.

The reason why it is happening is because RAH was in large part, responsible for setting this all in motion. Wake up.


No excuse. Good people lost their livelihoods and lives during XJT furlough. Some of them would not have been doing what they were doing when they died had it not been for the furlough (at least one died during a construction accident that he would not have been doing otherwise). Divorces led on by the financial struggles and I believe at least one suicide as well.

So when you complain about others "stealing" "your flying", put all of this in context when you wonder why some of them may not be feeling the sympathy for you, that you think you deserve.



Where did I complain about others "stealing" "our flying"? I said I was not around then, and that I have not been part of these vultures try to capitalize on a company going through a difficult time. You seem to be taking that quite personally. I have said it before and I suppose I will again. Flying moves around. None of it is owned at the regional level. A little compassion goes a long way. I cannot and will not answer for those that paraded for flying lost at XJT. I think that is just as wrong.

Flightcap 04-27-2016 08:28 AM

You know what I love about the Internet? How it has made us such a compassionate, soft-spoken society.

404yxl 04-27-2016 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by 4V14T0R (Post 2117555)
Flying moves around. None of it is owned at the regional level. A little compassion goes a long way. I cannot and will not answer for those that paraded for flying lost at XJT. I think that is just as wrong.

The regionals in question were very much established with that flying at their respective majors. XJT was part of Continental, just as Eagle was and still is part of AA. Horizon marketed it's own name for Alaska. Then Skywest came in to do it cheaper.

You went to an airline, and helped staff it, that came in and replaced those pilots for cheaper. That is why it is happening at RAH now. That is why it is hard to feel sorry for you when you complain about what is happening.


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