Originally Posted by WMUFlyboy1 (Post 2198254)

Think of a city that has air service in the Midwest or east coast. We fly there.

The 900 has more variety but honestly where you overnight isn't a big deal and shouldn't be a factor on where you go.

I am getting about 17 days off a month right now before I pick up, after I pick up I average around 10 but I live in base so I don't mind.

Originally Posted by Laramie (Post 2198287)

Originally Posted by seattlepilot (Post 2199650)

Latest rumor is republic is going to pick up American shuttle routes once they start shifting 190s away from shuttle routes. They are going away in 2017 and they will be replaced by republic 76 seater 175s entirely (like we do in delta side)

Originally Posted by stringandrudder (Post 2199672)

Exciting! What routes are those specifically, just curious?

Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 2198427)

Yup, this job isn't worth doing if you have to commute (then again in may well not be worth doing depending on what base you have to live in either)

Originally Posted by 29Eleven (Post 2199719)

https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/experience/american-airlines-shuttle.jsp

Originally Posted by MacrossJet (Post 2199745)

If I get hired, would probably commute PHX-EWR. :(

Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 2200644)

Doesn't Mesa or SkyWest have a PHX base?

Originally Posted by WMUFlyboy1 (Post 2198254)

Think of a city that has air service in the Midwest or east coast. We fly there.

The 900 has more variety but honestly where you overnight isn't a big deal and shouldn't be a factor on where you go.

I am getting about 17 days off a month right now before I pick up, after I pick up I average around 10 but I live in base so I don't mind.

Originally Posted by MrERJ (Post 2200746)

We have auto throttles though. And think of any city that has air service in the islands. We fly there.

You're first two paragraphs are contradicting....

Republic and endeavor are both REGIONALS. They both pay about the same after its all said and done. They both have the about the same upgrade and reserve time (don't be fooled by the wholly owned people who think they are delta mainline employees). Republic and Endeavor should be at the top of your list as far as regionals go.(based on your concerns for domiciles and pay)

Pick which one suits you. Both are not going anywhere soon. Yes things change quickly in the regionals. To be honest it's about luck and timing which plays a huge part in upgrade time, where you'll end up, reserve time, etc.

And for those negative comments on the Republic BK topic. Republic is the third largest regional behind skywest and expressjet/asa. If you think any of the mainline carriers can afford RPA to fold, you're bat **** crazy. Ain't nobody got time or staffing fo dat Felicia! (Snaps fingers)

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Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 2200644)

Doesn't Mesa or SkyWest have a PHX base?

Originally Posted by Quarryman (Post 2200706)

Neither have the pay that Endeavor offers.

Originally Posted by stringandrudder (Post 2203340)

Can anyone speak for the financial #'s comparing the two companies? I know there are various reasons for bankruptcy, and that doesn't mean Republic doesn't have cash. I looked at the balance sheets a bit but it was a lot of info.

Will the new AA WO's pay increase affect RAH or 9E?

Originally Posted by Quarryman (Post 2200706)

Neither have the pay that Endeavor offers.

Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight (Post 2207012)

Neither have the same pay as Endeavor. Mesas current pay rate is less than Endeavor. Skywests current pay rate is higher than Endeavor.

Yes Endeavor currently has a bonus but there isn't much life left in that. What happens after that is anyone's guess

Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight (Post 2207012)

Neither have the same pay as Endeavor. Mesas current pay rate is less than Endeavor. Skywests current pay rate is higher than Endeavor.
Yes Endeavor currently has a bonus but there isn't much life left in that. What happens after that is anyone's guess

Originally Posted by MrERJ (Post 2200746)

We have auto throttles though. And think of any city that has air service in the islands. We fly there.

You're first two paragraphs are contradicting....

Republic and endeavor are both REGIONALS. They both pay about the same after its all said and done. They both have the about the same upgrade and reserve time (don't be fooled by the wholly owned people who think they are delta mainline employees). Republic and Endeavor should be at the top of your list as far as regionals go.(based on your concerns for domiciles and pay)

Pick which one suits you. Both are not going anywhere soon. Yes things change quickly in the regionals. To be honest it's about luck and timing which plays a huge part in upgrade time, where you'll end up, reserve time, etc.

And for those negative comments on the Republic BK topic. Republic is the third largest regional behind skywest and expressjet/asa. If you think any of the mainline carriers can afford RPA to fold, you're bat **** crazy. Ain't nobody got time or staffing fo dat Felicia! (Snaps fingers)

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Originally Posted by crjscum (Post 2208956)

Yeah not much life at all, these next 2+ years of getting a $23,000 bonus is pretty much nothing. And after it's done? Well I'm sure that there will be plenty of pilots coming down the training pipe for them to hire, what with all the new commercial certificates being issued year after year so there will be no need to pay us more than $30 an hour after 2018. Yep, sounds like anyone's guess........

Please, my guess is it'll just be that much better with the rest of the industry finally trying to match Endeavor after almost 2 years. Money talks, and they are finally seeing that it gets bodies in seats, not just the promise of shiny new planes. We're headed in the right direction and it's a good thing for all of us.

As for rumors, $60/hr first year has been kicked around a lot lately. That wouldn't be too bad.

Originally Posted by NewOldGuy (Post 2207090)

I don't disagree with your first paragraph and I think SkyWest is a very reasonable option, but I don't understand why everyone has said for a year, "isn't much life left in that"?
There's 27 months left on the current retention bonus.
There's already management work going on to either extend it or roll it into the pay scales (they've even hinted that could happen before the end of this year).
I won't argue which regional is better, etc, that's very much a personal preference. But don't want to allow misinformation to someone either.


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Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight (Post 2209239)

I hope you aren't taking my post out of context.
I'm not trying to knock anyone's pay or contracts. Actually quite the opposite..I'm thrilled for the recent improvements that have been made in terms of compensation at every regional.
All I'm doing is laying out facts.
Will Endeavors pay be increased when the bonuses expire? All signs point to yes. But then again everyone's pay at every regional should be going up at the places that want to stay competitive and continue hiring pilots.
But the fact of the matter is at this moment the money you're making in bonuses is not yet rolled into your hourly rate. Again I'm not saying it won't be, but that is peering into the crystal ball again and anyone who throws out any numbers at this point is either hopeful or lying.

Originally Posted by gojo (Post 2209272)

One thing to remember is with the exception of flow, Delta seems to lead the way in this industry. All others seem to be more reactive to what Delta does and try to play catch up. And while I agree, it's nice to see almost all regional airlines pay going up. Look at how long it took to become competitive to the Endeavor package? I'm pretty confidant that as the gap narrows Delta will make an appropriate change that will make Endeavor more attractive. What that will be, who knows at this point. Another consideration is, will the non-wholly owned airlines be able to compete as the pay and benefits goes up at the wholly owned airlines?

Originally Posted by glassnpowder98 (Post 2209526)

File for chapter 11, renegotiate CPA's, hope you have enough daily departures that a disruption to the service you provide will drastically impact the system, rinse, then repeat.

Originally Posted by stringandrudder (Post 2195308)

Thanks for reading.

I've been going nuts trying to decide on which regional to got to. I've pretty much narrowed it down to Endeavor and Republic. I have a CJO from Endeavor currently and an interview with Republic later this month.

Here is what's important to me:

- NYC Base. EWR not an option. Endeavor has JFK and LGA. RAH only LGA. If RAH pulls out of LGA, it's quite undesirable. Endeavor is making a big push for NYC, which is great imo.

- Pay/work rules. Republic's contract has higher pay rates. Endeavor has the bonus. Delta could theoretically take that away at any point. An extra guaranteed day off at republic (12) instead of Endeavor's (11) would mean 1 more day per month to pick up open time at a higher pay rate. I don't know much about the "work rules," side of it, but I've "heard," that they're not as good at RAH.

- Stability. As far as I'm concerned, every regional has the same fate - no one ever knows what it is. However, looking at the current snapshot, Endeavor has the full support of Delta. They're a top performer and it doesn't seem like they're going anywhere. Current growth looks great. I've heard mixed things about the RAH bankruptcy. Some say it's been bloody, others say the future looks bright. The new AA deal confirms that they'll most likely pull through. It seems like an unnecessary risk though. Flying for all 3 legacies can be a good thing though?

Thanks for your comments. Thoughts? :eek:

Originally Posted by Rahlifer (Post 2209698)

I wouldn't get too excited about the pay and work rules at republic. They've already done away with the extra pay for open time. The one extra day off per month doesn't mean much because the new contract allows you to be forced to work into a day off. Ya get 4 hours and some change for your troubles, but no restoration of lost days off anymore.

Originally Posted by JG4245 (Post 2209726)

You still get 125% for open time right? (I think that was the number they were advertising). Also, can you elaborate on how you are forced to work into your day off? I'm new to the 121 world and have offers from both companies. I'm leaning towards RAH and have a class date in a few weeks.

Originally Posted by gojo (Post 2209573)

Okay, not sure why this point was made? This is the airlines, not any airline specifically. And remember, there's a limit to filing bankruptcy

Originally Posted by glassnpowder98 (Post 2209753)

You asked if the non-wholly owned could compete. My answer was not company specific, but Republic was the first to do it. If an airline can't afford to pay it's pilots a competitive wage, then they can't staff their airplanes. I don't think any of the airlines would have been so quick to renegotiate CPA's if Republic was smaller. My opinion is that in a few years we will only have wholly owned and one or two large regionals left.

Originally Posted by glassnpowder98 (Post 2209753)

You asked if the non-wholly owned could compete. My answer was not company specific, but Republic was the first to do it. If an airline can't afford to pay it's pilots a competitive wage, then they can't staff their airplanes. I don't think any of the airlines would have been so quick to renegotiate CPA's if Republic was smaller. My opinion is that in a few years we will only have wholly owned and one or two large regionals left.

Originally Posted by stringandrudder (Post 2209759)

Then what happens to all of the flying? As it is, regionals are short staffed, no?

Originally Posted by glassnpowder98 (Post 2209753)

You asked if the non-wholly owned could compete. My answer was not company specific, but Republic was the first to do it. If an airline can't afford to pay it's pilots a competitive wage, then they can't staff their airplanes. I don't think any of the airlines would have been so quick to renegotiate CPA's if Republic was smaller. My opinion is that in a few years we will only have wholly owned and one or two large regionals left.

Originally Posted by glassnpowder98 (Post 2209785)

I think you see a couple different strategies in play already. United has a bunch of 737's on order, presumably to bring some of the regional flying back in house. They've also partnered with regionals to set up de facto flows. American has invested heavily in their wholly-owned regionals and seems to want to solidify their future staffing outlook at mainline through flows.

The increases in pay at the regionals have brought people in from corporate jobs, 135 outfits, and other places which has sort of created a temporary stop gap. But I think at the end of the day you are going to see more and more flying be brought in house when the smaller regionals or those that don't offer the best career progression begin to shrink and/or fail. It's going to be tough times for some and I feel bad for the guys who ended up becoming regional lifers through no fault of their own, only bad timing with majors not hiring for a while. However, if you can stick it out, get some luck on your side, and do your best to check as many boxes on your apps, there will be more mainline opportunities out there for you. Just my opinion, but I truly think the airline industry is going to be completely different in 10 years.

Originally Posted by seattlepilot (Post 2210160)

If you think rah declared bankruptcy because "it couldn't pay its pilots " you have absolutely, positively no clue about what this bankruptcy is all about.



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Originally Posted by seattlepilot (Post 2210161)

Nice predictions. Congress and faa is already working on lower limitations for pilots. Guess you didn't see this aspect of that.

You see, the problem we have in hand is because of the 1500 rule. That goes away, the scale tips in favor of airline management.

Let's see what happens to the override pays, day off flying etc. etc. when that takes place.

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Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight (Post 2210258)

Lower limitations may or may not happen. That's speculation. If you know something that we don't please pm me next weeks powerball numbers.
If you think the 1500 hour rule is the issue airline management needs to change to tip the scales in their favor you are sorely mistaken. I would say the most sever issues they face in order are: their previous (and aguably still) inadequent and embarrassingly low pay. Second, the mandatory retirement age of 65.
The best thing anyone can do for themselves is put themselves in a position to be employed at an airline that has contracted terms that seem to ensure a good future if they were to be stuck there long term.

Originally Posted by seattlepilot (Post 2210160)

If you think rah declared bankruptcy because "it couldn't pay its pilots " you have absolutely, positively no clue about what this bankruptcy is all about.



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Originally Posted by glassnpowder98 (Post 2210353)

That was a broad statement about all regionals. If the raises across the board continue, pilots will become too expensive. Bedford definitely had enough money in the bank to pay it's pilots when they filed. They could have lasted a bit longer, but they were bleeding money parking planes. If they came to the table 3 years early to negotiate the current contract, they easily could have afforded it and avoided bankruptcy.