Can anyone shed some light on the "long term" contracts RAH and the big 3 agreed on? How long is long term?

Well then enlighten me and anyone else on here that is wondering what your take on it is.

While I don't necessarily agree with your prediction that a change in the 1500 hour rule is right around the corner, I can agree it would have profound implication on hiring predictions. To someone considering a job at the regionals, it would remove the few years of low wages building time. IF regionals continue to increase compensation, it would be a pretty quick route to making a decent living. However, it's a whole different argument on whether that is the safest course of action to put 250 hour wonder kids in the right seat of a transport category aircraft. It's been done before though.

2020 and beyond

Thanks! I had a hard time finding it online.

There isn't one lawmaker that will sign their name to lowering the 1500hrs. What's the upside to them if they do? One Colgan type deal, and it's a 300hr pilot in the rt seat, whomever signed on to reduce the 1500hr rule just lost their silly career as a politician. It won't happen. Maybe for military time, but not some kid that just got their commercial cert @ 250. And then spent another 250 as an instructor doing stalls. No way josè

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.....and where are all the guys who said rah pilots are about to take it in the a$.....thru BK.

Are they now gonna come on here and say they were wrong?😂😂😂😂🤔

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The deal is not over yet. I won't leave anything past BB. I don't know if you are current RAH pilot who has been here longer than 2 years but the company is going back to the good old tactics:
- refusing to pay for carry over cancellation.
- refusing the restoring day off when you are extended.
- taking pdos away so that they can cancel vacation
- limiting the reserve swaps...

I can go on and on and on..

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When they refuse to do this stuff how is it resolved? I will be starting with RAH in a few weeks and have heard generally really positive things from the people I know there(minor gripes here and there). Granted they have only been on property for a year or so.

Reading about how RLA works is a good start. We have pilots who have been in the property since the new contract and they haven't even cracked the book open.

Rah is an awesome place to be in two cases : in booming days or when they really need you.



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Contract will not be altered. That's my point. Every sam dick and harry said it would be. I'll bet you on that and on the 1500hr rule. It won't be touched.
Cheers

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At the end: RAH or 9E?
Lets vote!

Whichever one has a base (that looks stable) where you live. You can't put a price on that.

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You forgot: Whichever base makes your commute smoother!!!

what if LGA is the desired base choice?

Endeavor by a long shot
Why would anyone go to a bankrupt airline is beyond me.

Airlines have many reasons for bankruptcy, most either go away or survive. Even your beloved Endeavor has a history of bankruptcy!

If the base MMG was higher 9E would have had much more pull in my regional search. Some of us cant afford 2-3months of the MMG (during training) living in NY with a family. I could wait for them to roll the bonus into base pay but who knows how long that will take. :confused:

Yup and I told people to stay away then.

Fair. But what's the reasoning?

Until the bankruptcy is finished anything can happen.
So they promise things won't be touched. Ha ha can't trust it until it's over. It's out of many people's hands on the fate of the company. Yes there is always risk but the risk is substantially lower at a wholly owned non bankrupt carrier.
Hence if yout want lga endeavor right now is the place to go.

Not an Envoy fan boy and I don't plan on going there but they did just announce LGA reopening for the 145. So they may have Endeavor beat now for those wanting LGA. Higher pay, flow, and I'm sure it will be junior just like Endeavor, which will be hard to compete with.

Or Envoy on the E-145

QOL and schedules seem to be big issues still at Envoy (looking at the forum posts). However the pay plus flow option are attractive. Decisions decisions.... :confused::confused:

They better be looking a a better increase than $19 per hr, as that would be a pay cut. They would need to increase it about $26 an hr to break even in lieu of the 23k bonus.

How long before a 9E NH could get DTW? Is there a shorter upgrade time if you are typed?

Depends on the equipment and timing. Right now you will get NYC out of training for sure. It looks like from the Final award there will be about 20 slots open in DTW200 for the next vacancy, but those won't go to new hires. As for upgrade, it all just depends on previous 121 time or qualifying 135 time for upgrade.

If you had to put a percentage on it, what are my chances of holding 900 out of JFK out of training?

I'd say 75% (the older you are the better the chance)

Thanks for the response.

Wow. Pretty high.

Still haven't made a choice between 9E and YX, but getting closer every day.

Even higher I would say. JFK seems to be the priority for placing new hires.

Jeez ur not a good friend. I wish I would have been at endeavour during bk. I may be at Delta by now. No one has a crystal ball. Did management fu€* with rah pilots contract? Everyone said they were going to......the answer is no.

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Happy to hear that you can gloat about this. Gloat away. I think you'd have to agree that in appropriately 90% of airline bankruptcies (maybe higher) management has gone after labor contracts, health insurance, pension plans, 401K contributions etc. and with B.B. Being the honest person that he is, well I think you can see why most were skeptical. Carry on and good luck

Not gloating buddy. Times have changed for the better. I hope you can appreciate that and not just root for your shi!!y regional. Where are all the naysayers now? That's all I'm asking. RAH raised the bar. Was it enough-NO. But they did help bring up alot of other poor fo's. Now even bluestreaker s who were the first to cave benefited from yx pilots holding out.
Period.
That's all I'm saying pal. No gloat.

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I appreciate that, but I'm not sure of your need to call out to all the "naysayers". I figured you'd understand the skepticism as well?

I believe it was more than skepticism. More like "get off that sinking ship" "your dumb if you go there" etc etc etc.........this silly forum is chocked full of know it alls it's gross. Just proving a point, nobody knows jack about this industry. Except the puppet masters that play us against each other and try to continue the whipsaw.

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Well bankruptcy is a scary thing. Lots of unknowns. Can't blame them for being uneasy especially with the history of airline bankruptcies and B.B.'s reputation. This one could've easily gone bad too. I'm not sure where your confidence came from. Even now upward movement will slow temporarily

Quite the opposite. It's actually picking up, not slowing.

^^exactly


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