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Originally Posted by PerfInit
(Post 2364777)
What the previous poster is referring to is the inherent low speed handling challenges with the LR-Jet series due to the Fuel Tanks located at the wing tips. Lots of extra weight out there on a large "moment arm". Thus during low speed maneuvering, an overbanking tendency can occur with rapid onset and limited ability to correct for it. Proper airspeed control, adherence to minimum maneuvering speeds (depends on flap setting and weight) and limiting bank angles during maneuvers such as circling to land are normal SOP.
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Originally Posted by PerfInit
(Post 2364777)
What the previous poster is referring to is the inherent low speed handling challenges with the LR-Jet series due to the Fuel Tanks located at the wing tips. Lots of extra weight out there on a large "moment arm". Thus during low speed maneuvering, an overbanking tendency can occur with rapid onset and limited ability to correct for it. Proper airspeed control, adherence to minimum maneuvering speeds (depends on flap setting and weight) and limiting bank angles during maneuvers such as circling to land are normal SOP.
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Originally Posted by PlaneS
(Post 2364718)
I'm unfamiliar with the Lear, would you mind elaborating on the safety margins you referred to?
I'm sorry. I can't recall what the maximum bank angle limitation is during a circle. It has been a long time. |
We would use Ref +20 back in the airnet days for circling. That speed would all for a small safety margin for turns in the pattern (usually about 20 degrees of bank max when configured). Wx at the time of the crash was gusty, if the crew got low and slow and then combined with an unpredictable gust, could be the perfect setup for a stall/spin event.
Prayers for the victims and their families.... |
Originally Posted by The Plainsman
(Post 2365087)
We would use Ref +20 back in the airnet days for circling. That speed would all for a small safety margin for turns in the pattern (usually about 20 degrees of bank max when configured). Wx at the time of the crash was gusty, if the crew got low and slow and then combined with an unpredictable gust, could be the perfect setup for a stall/spin event.
Prayers for the victims and their families.... |
The 35 has a Stall Warning Horn, Stick Shaker, and Stick Pusher but you could still have a rapid increase in AOA that would take you through all three to the stall very quickly.
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Originally Posted by HeavyDriver
(Post 2364984)
It's been 30 years from my Learjet days, but I remember a maximum fuel in the tip tanks for landing being about 600lbs? The airplane was a joy to fly, but once you turned the yaw damper OFF for landing. All hands on deck!
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Originally Posted by The Plainsman
(Post 2365087)
We would use Ref +20 back in the airnet days for circling. That speed would all for a small safety margin for turns in the pattern (usually about 20 degrees of bank max when configured). Wx at the time of the crash was gusty, if the crew got low and slow and then combined with an unpredictable gust, could be the perfect setup for a stall/spin event.
Prayers for the victims and their families.... |
Originally Posted by Std Deviation
(Post 2364899)
Similar to the MU2. In the Mitz the correction occurs only with spoilers - a double whammy.
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Originally Posted by Boris Badenov
(Post 2366913)
Hogwash. There's no "overbanking tendency" in a Mitsi. Also, if you're landing with the tips full, you're doing it wrong.
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