Earnhardt’s Citation Crash
08-19-2019 | 09:51 AM
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In this video there is a white streak extending up and to the left of the nose. It shows up at the first 10 seconds and then again at :58 to 1:20. WTF is that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_qCKuleUFQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_qCKuleUFQ
08-19-2019 | 10:11 AM
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In this video there is a white streak extending up and to the left of the nose. It shows up at the first 10 seconds and then again at :58 to 1:20. WTF is that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_qCKuleUFQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_qCKuleUFQ
08-19-2019 | 10:29 AM
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I'm wondering if it's an ice inspection light or turn off light reflecting in the smoke? Hard to believe one would see that in daylight? Also would mean there is still power on the aircraft.
08-19-2019 | 10:35 AM
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I was thinking it might a trick of the light with the camera, but it kind of looks like fluid to me. Could also maybe be O2 from the cockpit crew supply.
08-19-2019 | 11:54 AM
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Interesting related data that I came across recently - most of the EMAS arrestments have been corporate (Part 91) turbine powered aircraft. Hmm... A common recurring theme is Unstabilized approaches, Lack of SOP discipline, “pride” getting in the way of Good ADM (reluctance to go-around) , and pilots not fully understanding landing performance data could all be contributing factors. 10kts fast on final = touchdown appx 1000ft further down the runway. Glad everyone survived, but this hull loss was 100% preventable IMHO. We can all learn from this ad hopefully not to repeat it.
08-19-2019 | 12:06 PM
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I didn't get that out of his post at all.
I recommend that you don't pass on the NTSB report.
Just remember where you heard it first!
08-19-2019 | 12:28 PM
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This might be where PerfInit is getting his data. Eight bizjet arrestments, seven air carrier arrestments. Hardly definitive. I’d guess the recurring theme is high energy unstable approaches by all operators.
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...as-arrestments
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...as-arrestments
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08-19-2019 | 12:58 PM
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This might be where PerfInit is getting his data. Eight bizjet arrestments, seven air carrier arrestments. Hardly definitive. I’d guess the recurring theme is high energy unstable approaches by all operators.
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...as-arrestments
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...as-arrestments
Alibi, bizjets fly more into smaller fields with shorter runways.
08-19-2019 | 01:20 PM
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Agreed on both of the above, for most part. With 14,000 bizjets in the US and the size of US NJ fleet, the 10:1 is far closer than 100:1. Also, those smaller airports usually don’t have EMAS, so we get headlines like Earnhardt.
The rolling 90-day monthly average is 380,000 bizjet operations, 12,700 a day.
https://aspm.faa.gov/apmd/sys/bjpdf/b-jet-201907.pdf
The first three arrestments were air carriers at JFK. How does a SAAB 340 overrun there?
The rolling 90-day monthly average is 380,000 bizjet operations, 12,700 a day.
https://aspm.faa.gov/apmd/sys/bjpdf/b-jet-201907.pdf
The first three arrestments were air carriers at JFK. How does a SAAB 340 overrun there?
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