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Old 06-26-2012, 01:45 PM
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I am curious as to how the Citation type ratings work. What I mean by that is, what Citation types count for what aircraft? For example with Lears, an LR-JET type gives you all 20s, 30s, and 50s, with exception of the Lear 31 (I may have missed a few but you get the idea). I am aware of the following Citations: Citation Bravo, Citation Excel, Citation I/SI, Citation II/SII, Citation III, Citation Ultra, Citation VlI, Citation Vl, Citation V, and Citation X. Do each of these aircraft require their own unique type and training or is there a mix and match like with the Lears? Thanks for any and all responses.
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Old 06-26-2012, 02:06 PM
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Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's:

CE-500: I, II, V, Ultra, Bravo
CE-560: XLS
CE-650: III, VI, VII
CE-750: X
CE-680: Sovereign

I'm sure I'm missing some in there.

When I did my 650 at CAE, it was a course about the III with VII differences thrown in.
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Old 06-26-2012, 02:10 PM
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CE-500 covers 500/501, 550/551, 560 (I/ISP, II/IISP/SII, Bravo, V, Ultra, Encore/+)
CE-510 covers Mustang
CE-525(s) Covers CJ, CJ1, CJ1+,M2, CJ2, CJ2+, CJ3, CJ4 (CE-525s is the single pilot type)
CE-560XL covers Excel, XLS/+
CE-650 covers III, VI, VII
CE-680 covers Sovereign
CE-750 covers X, Ten

And the LR31 is covered on the LR-JET type.

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Thanks a lot for the quick responses guys. And ekuflyer, that's right, I forgot the 31 is covered in that. Another question if I can get an opinion...if you had the option to choose one of those types (assuming you had no types), which would it be? The selection being based on the commonality of the aircraft it covers, the number of jobs out there/demand, and the overall likelihood of a relatively low time pilot (about 1500 hrs with a little turbine time) getting an FO position at the moment?
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Originally Posted by MoZak18 View Post
Thanks a lot for the quick responses guys. And ekuflyer, that's right, I forgot the 31 is covered in that. Another question if I can get an opinion...if you had the option to choose one of those types (assuming you had no types), which would it be? The selection being based on the commonality of the aircraft it covers, the number of jobs out there/demand, and the overall likelihood of a relatively low time pilot (about 1500 hrs with a little turbine time) getting an FO position at the moment?
Based on numbers I would go with the 525 type. We are approaching the 1500 total 525's in service and 4 of them are still being built. However a lot of them are flown single pilot. The 500 type covers a lot of airplanes as well, but none are in production anymore, so their numbers will continue to shrink.
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Based on numbers I would go with the 525 type. We are approaching the 1500 total 525's in service and 4 of them are still being built. However a lot of them are flown single pilot. The 500 type covers a lot of airplanes as well, but none are in production anymore, so their numbers will continue to shrink.
+1 to the CE525 type, preferably CE525s.

EKU, you driving that CJ2 I've seen sitting in LEX?
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The fact that it is the single pilot type sounds discouraging in a way for a new pilot, seeing as if it is flown single pilot for an individual or company, only experience high-time pilots will be considered. Amidst this would you still recommend the 525? What would you say about the 560XL and 650 in comparison?
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Old 06-29-2012, 03:50 PM
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560xl and 650 would certainly give you more marketability, however a type rating with no time in type is a difficult position to put yourself in. just as a side, the LRJET type rating covers all 20's 30's (including the 31) and the 55.... the 45 is a different type as is the 60.
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Originally Posted by MoZak18 View Post
The fact that it is the single pilot type sounds discouraging in a way for a new pilot, seeing as if it is flown single pilot for an individual or company, only experience high-time pilots will be considered. Amidst this would you still recommend the 525? What would you say about the 560XL and 650 in comparison?
If I were a "new pilot", I wouldn't be worrying about type ratings and certainly wouldn't be thinking about buying one on my own nickel...ESPECIALLY in the current job market.

If you hold a CE525S rating, you can operate the airplane single pilot or two crew. If you hold a CE525 rating, you can only operate it crewed.

Both the CE560XL and CE650 type ratings cover a fairly limited number of airframes. The Excel will almost certainly be replaced by the Latitude and the CE650 has been out of production for many years. On the other hand the CJ2+/CJ3/CJ4 and the newly announced M2 will continue to be produced for many years and utilize the CE525 type rating.
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I've managed to get some turbine time over the past several months in a Lear 35, less than 100, but still something to show for. I actually won't be spending my own money on this type, and yes I agree, no one should do that (unless you're loaded and doing this for fun!). Since you say the M2 will also utilize the 525 type that does sound encouraging. Does the M2 relate to the Citation Mustang at all? In other words, is it like Cessna's sequel/upgrade to the Mustang and are there any similarities?
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