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Old 09-02-2019, 09:50 AM   #1  
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/travel/9844...ervice-animal/

OK now picture a decompression at altitude.
An emergency egress with smoke in the cabin.
Severe turbulence with an unrestrained and panicked 250# animal thrashing around the cabin.

This is insane.
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/travel/9844...ervice-animal/

OK now picture a decompression at altitude.
An emergency egress with smoke in the cabin.
Severe turbulence with an unrestrained and panicked 250# animal thrashing around the cabin.

This is insane.
Where’s the “don’t put laptops in the seatpocket FAA”, guess they’re out to lunch.
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I was coming here to see if anyone had posted on this. The exact same thoughts were going through my head. Has this been vetted? Have they run evac drill with service animals this large? This seems very unsafe. ALPA and APA need to get involved.
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In an aisle seat and not against a bulkhead. That’s a significant hazard to safety and endangering other passengers.
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You have to wonder how horses even got approved as service animals in the first place... some congress critter on the committee must have been from KY.

A service animal is supposed to be a SERVICE animal, not your personal fashion statement. How about we stick with dogs. Allergic? Get a standard poddle.
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Look on the bright side, should they go down near that secluded tropical island, there’s two days worth of BBQ for everyone.

That horse should consider itself fortunate to even be in the cargo hold.
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You have to wonder how horses even got approved as service animals in the first place... some congress critter on the committee must have been from KY.
Or Mecca. The dog is an unclean animal in Islam, and some followers of Islam use minihorses in lieu of service dogs.

https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unl...lim-woman.html
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Or Mecca. The dog is an unclean animal in Islam, and some followers of Islam use minihorses in lieu of service dogs.

https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unl...lim-woman.html
Actually that I can believe.
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You have to wonder how horses even got approved as service animals in the first place... some congress critter on the committee must have been from KY.

A service animal is supposed to be a SERVICE animal, not your personal fashion statement. How about we stick with dogs. Allergic? Get a standard poddle.

Miniature horses live 25 to 35 years versus a dog living 8 to 12 years. Training takes about 2 years for each, so a dog's working life is 6-10 years while the horse's is 23-33 years. It takes about 3 1/2 dogs to replace one horse, so effectively training expenses are less than a third for a horse than a dog. Then there is the emotional affects of the death of three comrades which the human both cares for and depends on.

They are said to be both calm and smart.

As guides for the blind, they offer greater safety for the human due to a range of vision that approaches 360 degrees. Unlike dogs, horses can see colors though not as vividly as humans.

Contrary to the OP's comment about miniature horses being 250 lbs, they weigh 70 to 100 lbs or only about 5-10 lbs more than an adult male German Shepard. How concerned would y'all be if a male German Shepard was onboard?

From ADA.gov:
In addition to the provisions about service dogs, the Department’s revised ADA regulations have a new, separate provision about miniature horses that have been individually trained to do work or perform tasks for people with disabilities. (Miniature horses generally range in height from 24 inches to 34 inches measured to the shoulders and generally weigh between 70 and 100 pounds.) Entities covered by the ADA must modify their policies to permit miniature horses where reasonable. The regulations set out four assessment factors to assist entities in determining whether miniature horses can be accommodated in their facility. The assessment factors are (1) whether the miniature horse is housebroken; (2) whether the miniature horse is under the owner’s control; (3) whether the facility can accommodate the miniature horse’s type, size, and weight; and (4) whether the miniature horse’s presence will not compromise legitimate safety requirements necessary for safe operation of the facility.
https://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm

So if you want to change the ADA or FAA regs to restrict service animals the size of a miniature horse go right ahead. Just realize about half of all service dogs fall into this category, and think about the repercussions.
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Contrary to the OP's comment about miniature horses being 250 lbs, they weigh 70 to 100 lbs or only about 5-10 lbs more than an adult male German Shepard.
Not to put too fine a point on it, your comment is horse$hit.

From the American Miniature Horse association website:

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Q. How much do Miniature Horses weigh?

A. An average adult may weigh between 150-250 pounds

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From a prominent miniature horse breeder:

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STATISTICAL INFORMATION
* Since we mainly focus on characteristics of the AMHA miniature horses, (most of our horses also are double registered with AMHR), the statistical information that we will give below most appropriately fits with horses that will more than likely mature at 34 inches or less.
* Foals are born weighing anywhere from 12 to 25 pounds depending on their size. They can stand anywhere from 15 to 22 inches tall at birth.
* Miniature horses grow to approximately 90 % of their adult height by the time that they are a year old.
* Depending on their size adult miniature horses can weigh anywhere from 150 to 350 pounds.
https://www.scottcreek.com/mini-horse-facts.html

So there are MY REFERENCES, although I can give you a lot more if you’d like. You want to show your references (if any) to support your contention that AN ADULT miniature horse only weighs 70-100#?
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