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View Poll Results: Will Boeing have to rename the 737 Max?
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Old 10-20-2019, 07:09 PM   #21  
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Ralph Nader, and at least one US congressperson, has called for the permanent grounding of the 737 max. I think they are correct, but I believe that Boeing has enough political influence that it will not happen, and none of it's executives will go to prison.

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Ludicrous. The max is a 737, which has a very long track record.

What makes it dangerous? MCAS? So fix MCAS.

Anything else wrong? Fix that too.

Still don't like it? Change the name.

Boeing is THE largest US exporter, and the 73 is their LARGEST product line. Some senile activist and a congress tool want to destroy a huge component of our industry and economy out of spite? You should know better.

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Old 10-21-2019, 02:22 AM   #22  
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Boeing is too big to fail. Just like the banks during the Great Recession and General Motors. The government won’t let them fail, the tax payers will bail them out if need be.
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Let’s be honest, even after the second crash the FAA was not going to ground the plane. Their hand was forced as other nations started to ground the plane. Once it became obvious that al the major authorities had grounded the plane, the FAA realized the optics looked back if they remained the one big regulator that did not follow suit. To save face, they put out some BS of “while others grounded the plane right away, we were the first to ground it based on science.”


Regardless, both cases (but especially the Ethiopian) had elements of pilot error. Boeing deserves the bulk of the blame though, for putting this system and withholding its knowledge from the manuals and training.

That said, the length of this grounding has become a political joke. Looks like it will be almost one full year before it takes off again. The software fo has been ready since Summer. It’s hooked up to both AOA sensors, so both sensors would have to read a high alpha in order to fire MCAS, and even then MCAS will be limited to fire one time with a very limited amount of nose down trim.

The MAX will do just fine. There shouldn’t be any more crashes related to MCAS, just as there weren’t any more crashes from rudder hardovers.
To be honest, I don't see where CA Forkner's memo, by itself, is a smoking gun. To be honest, I could have been persuaded to approve the NNC/bulletin patch after the Lion Air discovery. What's missing is honest oversight. The no folks capable of swinging a paddle when needed. Right to the top. Remember when Flounder cried to Bluto after his brother's Caddy got trashed during their road trip? What did Otter say? 'You f'd up, you trusted us.'
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You know what they say about pigs and lipstick.....
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