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Old 10-18-2019, 12:18 AM   #1  
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Default Ravn/Pennair does it again.

Plane went off the end of the runway in DUT. Two critical injuries.
https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/Pl...563346322.html

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Plane went off the end of the runway in DUT. Two critical injuries.
https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/Pl...563346322.html
I rode on Penair Saab 2000's in my past, but not any more. I might as well tell this story here and now. October 31, 2018, I was a passenger on a Penair Saab 2000 flying from ANC to CDB, Cold Bay, AK. The captain taxied out with thick frost on the wings. As soon as the captain said, "Flight attendant, take your seat for departure" I immediately rang the call button from seat 9A, demanding we get deiced. I said repeatedly "We cannot take off with ice on the wings." I had to shout because the airplane is loud, even with the inverse-wave sound broadcast throughout the cabin. We taxied back to the ramp, but not after I had already texted 6 people pictures of the icy wing, as my insurance in case of arrest. Captain invited me to step off the plane with him, which I did. He asked why I was yelling at his flight attendant. I said, "Because it's illegal to take off with ice on the wings." He said, "I didn't see any ice on the wings." I said, "There has been ice on the wings since before I got on the plane." He said, "Where is this ice?" I scraped some off the wing onto my fingertips. "Here is the ice. You either de-ice this plane, or I will call FSDO. I have them on my speed-dial on my phone to call right now." I made him de-ice the plane. I also asked his permission to re-enter the aircraft. We de-iced then departed. It is not normal for a passenger to tell a captain to obey FAR 121.629 My fear now is that my coworkers who travel to Cold Bay, AK and Dillingham, AK who use Penair Saab 2000's on a regular basis will have to continue to do so.
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I rode on Penair Saab 2000's in my past, but not any more. I might as well tell this story here and now. October 31, 2018, I was a passenger on a Penair Saab 2000 flying from ANC to CDB, Cold Bay, AK. The captain taxied out with thick frost on the wings. As soon as the captain said, "Flight attendant, take your seat for departure" I immediately rang the call button from seat 9A, demanding we get deiced. I said repeatedly "We cannot take off with ice on the wings." I had to shout because the airplane is loud, even with the inverse-wave sound broadcast throughout the cabin. We taxied back to the ramp, but not after I had already texted 6 people pictures of the icy wing, as my insurance in case of arrest. Captain invited me to step off the plane with him, which I did. He asked why I was yelling at his flight attendant. I said, "Because it's illegal to take off with ice on the wings." He said, "I didn't see any ice on the wings." I said, "There has been ice on the wings since before I got on the plane." He said, "Where is this ice?" I scraped some off the wing onto my fingertips. "Here is the ice. You either de-ice this plane, or I will call FSDO. I have them on my speed-dial on my phone to call right now." I made him de-ice the plane. I also asked his permission to re-enter the aircraft. We de-iced then departed. It is not normal for a passenger to tell a captain to obey FAR 121.629 My fear now is that my coworkers who travel to Cold Bay, AK and Dillingham, AK who use Penair Saab 2000's on a regular basis will have to continue to do so.
I remember this. Message me for the PIC because anyone that knows him will tell you he doesnít ******* around with ice. You were legit a drama llama.
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Default Penair Saab 2000 crash @ DUT 10/17/2019

https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/Pl...563346322.html I rode on Penair Saab 2000's in my past, but not any more. I might as well tell this story here and now. October 31, 2018, I was a passenger on a Penair Saab 2000 flying from ANC to CDB, Cold Bay, AK. The captain taxied out with thick frost on the wings. As soon as the captain said, "Flight attendant, take your seat for departure" I immediately rang the call button from seat 9A, demanding we get deiced. I said repeatedly "We cannot take off with ice on the wings." I had to shout because the airplane is loud, even with the inverse-wave sound broadcast throughout the cabin. We taxied back to the ramp, but not after I had already texted 6 people pictures of the icy wing, as my insurance in case of arrest. Captain invited me to step off the plane with him, which I did. He asked why I was yelling at his flight attendant. I said, "Because it's illegal to take off with ice on the wings." He said, "I didn't see any ice on the wings." I said, "There has been ice on the wings since before I got on the plane." He said, "Where is this ice?" I scraped some off the wing onto my fingertips. "Here is the ice. You either de-ice this plane, or I will call FSDO. I have them on my speed-dial on my phone to call right now." I made him de-ice the plane. I also asked his permission to re-enter the aircraft. We de-iced then departed. It is not normal for a passenger to tell a captain to obey FAR 121.629 My fear now is that my coworkers who travel to Cold Bay, AK and Dillingham, AK who use Penair Saab 2000's on a regular basis will have to continue to do so. Penair still operates under its own operating certificate, according to the RAVN FAQ on their website: https://www.flyravn.com/about-us/penair-and-ravn-faq/
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https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/Pl...563346322.html I rode on Penair Saab 2000's in my past, but not any more. I might as well tell this story here and now. October 31, 2018, I was a passenger on a Penair Saab 2000 flying from ANC to CDB, Cold Bay, AK. The captain taxied out with thick frost on the wings. As soon as the captain said, "Flight attendant, take your seat for departure" I immediately rang the call button from seat 9A, demanding we get deiced. I said repeatedly "We cannot take off with ice on the wings." I had to shout because the airplane is loud, even with the inverse-wave sound broadcast throughout the cabin. We taxied back to the ramp, but not after I had already texted 6 people pictures of the icy wing, as my insurance in case of arrest. Captain invited me to step off the plane with him, which I did. He asked why I was yelling at his flight attendant. I said, "Because it's illegal to take off with ice on the wings." He said, "I didn't see any ice on the wings." I said, "There has been ice on the wings since before I got on the plane." He said, "Where is this ice?" I scraped some off the wing onto my fingertips. "Here is the ice. You either de-ice this plane, or I will call FSDO. I have them on my speed-dial on my phone to call right now." I made him de-ice the plane. I also asked his permission to re-enter the aircraft. We de-iced then departed. It is not normal for a passenger to tell a captain to obey FAR 121.629 My fear now is that my coworkers who travel to Cold Bay, AK and Dillingham, AK who use Penair Saab 2000's on a regular basis will have to continue to do so. Penair still operates under its own operating certificate, according to the RAVN FAQ on their website: https://www.flyravn.com/about-us/penair-and-ravn-faq/
You literally just posted the same article I already shared.
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Yes, I did. But I specifically used "Penair" in the title because Penair is operating on their own operating certificate...even though RAVN and Penair are both part of RAVN air group. No offense, though. You guys at Dena'ina are good pilots and I respect Dena-ina Air a lot.
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Yes, I did. But I specifically used "Penair" in the title because Penair is operating on their own operating certificate...even though RAVN and Penair are both part of RAVN air group. No offense, though. You guys at Dena'ina are good pilots and I respect Dena-ina Air a lot.
I donít fly for Denaíina, I am Denaíina. And it is Ravn, Penair has been taken over by Ravn management, the higher ups forced Penair to lower their requirements for DUT and the Captain was a Ravn pilot. So maybe the operating certificate said Penair, but this accident doesnít happen without Penair getting Ravníd.

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I rode on Penair Saab 2000's in my past, but not any more. I might as well tell this story here and now. October 31, 2018, I was a passenger on a Penair Saab 2000 flying from ANC to CDB, Cold Bay, AK. The captain taxied out with thick frost on the wings. As soon as the captain said, "Flight attendant, take your seat for departure" I immediately rang the call button from seat 9A, demanding we get deiced. I said repeatedly "We cannot take off with ice on the wings." I had to shout because the airplane is loud, even with the inverse-wave sound broadcast throughout the cabin. We taxied back to the ramp, but not after I had already texted 6 people pictures of the icy wing, as my insurance in case of arrest. Captain invited me to step off the plane with him, which I did. He asked why I was yelling at his flight attendant. I said, "Because it's illegal to take off with ice on the wings." He said, "I didn't see any ice on the wings." I said, "There has been ice on the wings since before I got on the plane." He said, "Where is this ice?" I scraped some off the wing onto my fingertips. "Here is the ice. You either de-ice this plane, or I will call FSDO. I have them on my speed-dial on my phone to call right now." I made him de-ice the plane. I also asked his permission to re-enter the aircraft. We de-iced then departed. It is not normal for a passenger to tell a captain to obey FAR 121.629 My fear now is that my coworkers who travel to Cold Bay, AK and Dillingham, AK who use Penair Saab 2000's on a regular basis will have to continue to do so.
Wow. Youíre a gem... post the pictures here, I donít buy this for second.
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I rode on Penair Saab 2000's in my past, but not any more. I might as well tell this story here and now. October 31, 2018, I was a passenger on a Penair Saab 2000 flying from ANC to CDB, Cold Bay, AK. The captain taxied out with thick frost on the wings. As soon as the captain said, "Flight attendant, take your seat for departure" I immediately rang the call button from seat 9A, demanding we get deiced. I said repeatedly "We cannot take off with ice on the wings." I had to shout because the airplane is loud, even with the inverse-wave sound broadcast throughout the cabin. We taxied back to the ramp, but not after I had already texted 6 people pictures of the icy wing, as my insurance in case of arrest. Captain invited me to step off the plane with him, which I did. He asked why I was yelling at his flight attendant. I said, "Because it's illegal to take off with ice on the wings." He said, "I didn't see any ice on the wings." I said, "There has been ice on the wings since before I got on the plane." He said, "Where is this ice?" I scraped some off the wing onto my fingertips. "Here is the ice. You either de-ice this plane, or I will call FSDO. I have them on my speed-dial on my phone to call right now." I made him de-ice the plane. I also asked his permission to re-enter the aircraft. We de-iced then departed. It is not normal for a passenger to tell a captain to obey FAR 121.629 My fear now is that my coworkers who travel to Cold Bay, AK and Dillingham, AK who use Penair Saab 2000's on a regular basis will have to continue to do so.
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One dead, terrible news.
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