So much for being able to read...

"In the tests, which were part of the work involved in evaluating the software update, many of the pilots did not use the correct procedures to handle emergencies, instead relying on their flying skills. Those results raised questions about whether simply informing pilots of which procedures to use would be sufficient to prepare them to fly the plane."

They handled it just fine, they just relied more on their skill and not the checklist.

Thus indicating, pilots with less skill would not do as well.

Nowhere does it say they handled it "fine." In fact I've been hearing (albeit second-hand) that the sim test was a CF with a significant portion of the pilots (low double-digit percentages) who knew what they were going in to face were unable to safely handle the situation.

Apparently the sim excercises involve AOA disagreements on takeoff. Even without MCAS running. Guys are messing this up. What does this have to do with the MAX? This is just 737 stuff. This explains last month when EASA was saying they want Boeing to change already established procedures/checklist.

This is why the 737 should have been redesigned (either into a new type, or at least like the DC-9/B-717) so that modern technology could be used instead of being faked to replicate the 1960s.... 99.8% of pilots flying this thing weren't even born when it was first built at this point. That's a recipe for disaster here... that's guaranteed disaster in Asia/Africa

Boeing recommends 737 Max Sim for all
 

I stand by what I said. The article says pilots from AA, UA, SW (presumably all experienced and well trained) had issues. And presumably all knew ahead of time what they were going to deal with. Something the accident pilots didn’t know ahead of time.

I’m not blaming pilots. This is obviously an issue with the design that needs specific simulator training. I’m positive all those pilots would handle it better if they had gone through specific sim training.

I’m not buying it. MCAS has been fixed to run off both AOA sensors reading high, and then fire a limited amount only once. No more tug of war. “Those in the know” are being quoted in articles saying the issues guys are having is dealing with an AOA disagree after takeoff. That’s already an established procedure right? Why the problems?

I wonder what they mean by guys using flying skills versus going to checklists. Well newsflash, if the stick shaker is going off then this isn’t the time to throw the AP on. The ETH Capt asked for AP on 3 times with the shaker going off.


So here we are. I still think this whole fiasco being dragged out is because EASA is flexing their muscles over the FAA and Boeing. Let’s be honest, the world won’t look at the FAA to clear this airplane until EASA (Europe) certifies it too.

The Max was born because AA was making a massive airbus order. Boeing met with AA and offered an airplane that would improve fuel burn and keep the same type as their already sizable 800 fleet. They struck a deal. SWA then ordered a boatload of them with the simulator stipulation mostly because the NG line was being shut down.
And here we are....
The blame here lies squarely with Boeing management. They have been in MBA cost cutting mode since the MD merger. This is what happens when you stop building airplanes and start paying shareholders as your primary business.

Yes, it would be awkward for the FAA to go their own way without EASA on this. They dug that hole for themselves though.


I doubt they'll have universal consensus from all regulatory agencies but they probably need EASA and Canada onboard, and maybe Oz too.

Pitch indication disagree (of any sort) can rapidly become a CF.

Same with AS.

Personally I think US major airline pilots could handle a trim runaway fine. But if you don't know which way the airplane is pointing or what AS is doing it can go very wrong, very quickly. For anyone. My personal philosophy is cross-check all three AI's if anything suddenly goes wrong with no warning. Unlike pitot tubes, all three attitude systems cannot fail at once (the standby is a completely different and separate system).


Recent example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_A...den_Flight_294