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ZeroTT 01-07-2020 10:08 AM

Boeing recommends 737 Max Sim for all
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/07/b...gtype=Homepage



"Boeing recommended on Tuesday that pilots train in flight simulators before flying its 737 Max, a move it had previously resisted....."

docav8tor 01-07-2020 11:04 AM

Boeing recommends simulator training for 737
 
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/07/boei...al-delays.html

Boeing recommends simulator training for 737 Max, which could cause additional delays
Published Tue, Jan 7 20201:46 PM ESTUpdated 24 min ago

GP: Boeing Holds A Press Conference Addressing The 737 MAX Software And Training Update

Boeing on Tuesday recommended pilots of the 737 Max undergo simulator training before the beleaguered jets can return to service, a step that could lead to further delays for airline customers.

“This recommendation takes into account our unstinting commitment to the safe return of service as well as changes to the airplane and test results,” Boeing said in a statement. “Final determination will be established by the regulators.”

The decision is a sharp shift for Boeing, which had previously expected training to be computer-based. Easily transitioning pilots from older models of the 737 to the Max when it debuted in 2017 was a key selling point for the plane. Boeing had offered Southwest, its biggest U.S. Max customer, a rebate of $1 million per plane if simulator training was needed when it sold the Dallas-based carrier the aircraft.

The planes have been grounded since mid-March after two fatal crashes in a span of five months killed 346 people. Boeing has developed a software fix for the planes after flight-control program was implicated in both crashes, but regulators have repeatedly said they have no firm timeline to allow the jets to fly again.

“The agency will consider Boeing’s recommendations for flight crew simulator training during the upcoming Joint Operations Evaluation Board,” the Federal Aviation Administration said in a statement, referring to a group of U.S. and international 737 pilots form airlines that operate the Max.

Data from those tests will inform the FAA’s official training recommendations, the FAA said.

“The agency will not approve the aircraft for return to service until all parts of the certification process are completed to its satisfaction,” it said.

captjns 01-07-2020 12:09 PM

Ready... Fire.... Aim.

Great job by the Harvard School of Business and Wharton School of Business MBAs running Boeing. Sure hope they enjoy that corned beef on white bread with mayonnaise with a sour glass of milk.

docav8tor 01-07-2020 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by captjns (Post 2953127)
Ready... Fire.... Aim.

Great job by the Harvard School of Business and Wharton School of Business MBAs running Boeing. Sure hope they enjoy that corned beef on white bread with mayonnaise with a sour glass of milk.


Let's not forget about the customer that didn't want simulator training at all and has been stagnating for 10 months. Further delays for the employees and customers that have been waiting.

e6bpilot 01-07-2020 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by docav8tor (Post 2953149)
Let's not forget about the customer that didn't want simulator training at all and has been stagnating for 10 months. Further delays for the employees and customers that have been waiting.



Who is that? AA?

e6bpilot 01-07-2020 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by captjns (Post 2953127)
Ready... Fire.... Aim.

Great job by the Harvard School of Business and Wharton School of Business MBAs running Boeing. Sure hope they enjoy that corned beef on white bread with mayonnaise with a sour glass of milk.



Yep. The engineers are getting the last laugh.

docav8tor 01-07-2020 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by e6bpilot (Post 2953166)
Who is that? AA?

Southwest Airlines wanted another 737 and did not want simulator training. Their contract allowed for $1M rebate if simulator training was required.

FXLAX 01-07-2020 01:51 PM

So much for the theory that well trained, experienced American pilots would’ve done any better.

Baradium 01-07-2020 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by FXLAX (Post 2953177)
So much for the theory that well trained, experienced American pilots would’ve done any better.

That doesn't really say anything on the theory one way or another. Boeing can't well recommend training requirements by country either.

I won't be surprised if the max is renamed though.

SilentLurker 01-07-2020 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by Baradium (Post 2953188)
That doesn't really say anything on the theory one way or another. Boeing can't well recommend training requirements by country either.



I won't be surprised if the max is renamed though.



Read below. It actually does if you read the article.

The same gist or point is made. Does the article have to mention the word “theory” ? It’s a fact many 737 pilots, non 737 pilots (including Airline CEO’s) were saying our pilots can fly the airplane safely. Others blatantly stated we Americans are trained better and fly better.

SIMULATOR TESTING PROVED OTHERWISE!

“The decision stems from Boeing’s analysis of recent flight simulator tests that were part of the work necessary to return the Max to service, which showed that pilots were not using the right procedures to handle emergencies. Those tests are the latest hurdle for Boeing, which has encountered setback after setback as it tries to fix problems with the Max and persuade regulators that the plane is ready to fly.”


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