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rickair7777 03-05-2019 03:02 PM
Originally Posted by DownInPetaluma (Post 2775533)
The weather wasn’t *that* bad. It looks less like an over-run and more like a wreck imo.
I did have a CA line up on the dirt in similar conditions once. The runway lights were obscured and barely visible so he referenced the vasi... but on the wrong side. He was old, fortunately I was young then with good vision.

Hou757 03-05-2019 04:29 PM
If they landed off the runway then this is VERY bad for Commutair.

SonicFlyer 03-05-2019 05:36 PM
Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 2775376)
The HR perspective...

Sully calls. You don't care what the computer says. You hire him.
Except that Sully can't get through to HR because they don't take unsolicited phone calls, they only look at their pile of apps which have already been sorted and rated.

flynd94 03-05-2019 05:37 PM
Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2775590)
If they landed off the runway then this is VERY bad for Commutair.

It’s very bad for all of aviation. We had many good things come out of Colgan/Buffalo but this.....

Ni hao 03-05-2019 05:38 PM
Oh it's bad.



Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2775590)
If they landed off the runway then this is VERY bad for Commutair.

MySaabStory 03-05-2019 06:21 PM
Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 2775628)
Except that Sully can't get through to HR because they don't take unsolicited phone calls, they only look at their pile of apps which have already been sorted and rated.
Exactly. I don’t know why people don’t understand that the flow works. It’s not magic, it’s not smoke and mirrors, it’s just a great insurance policy. Should you stop applying and working on getting into a major...NO. Will it take a while if you wait for the flow...absolutely.

I for one never wanted to be stuck at a regional or low cost carrier if I hit a runway light or bumped a tug. It’s just good to know that, worst case, you can end your career in a 787 ... not an Embraer.

Cubatticus 03-05-2019 06:31 PM
Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2775590)
If they landed off the runway then this is VERY bad for Commutair.
I’m new to this so please forgive my ignorance but how exactly could this affect the pilot group at Commutair moving forward? Or the industry as a whole?

Hobbit64 03-05-2019 06:39 PM
Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2775090)
I would argue that a better strategy to get to the majors would be to carefully run performance numbers, and land in the zone out of stabilized approaches.

As opposed to wrecking planes, hoping you don't get fired, and that the flow will somehow maybe still work.

Flow works for a GED, a checkride bust, and maybe a DUI. Doubt it would work for this, even if they had it. Good news is the truck driving schools are also paying bonuses right now.
What data do you have to support this? Are you on the NTSB go team?

John Carr 03-05-2019 06:53 PM
Originally Posted by Melit (Post 2775500)
The last photo states it landed off the runway. That’s a crash
Then technically, when DAL/CAL/AS and whomever else has landed on a TAXI WAY, they crashed also? When AA put it down 1000’ (IIRC) short in an MD80 but still taxied to the gate, did they crash?

I mean, it’s “off the runway” and all.....

TrojanCMH 03-05-2019 07:00 PM
Originally Posted by MySaabStory (Post 2775663)
I for one never wanted to be stuck at a regional or low cost carrier if I hit a runway light or bumped a tug. It’s just good to know that, worst case, you can end your career in a 787 ... not an Embraer.

If these guys screwed up they will lose their jobs, last I checked the flow agreement stops when you get fired. If you smash into a tug in your Embraer because of negligence on your part you’re probably going to lose your job...




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