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knewyork 07-25-2022 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3466560)
Two 58 year olds scraped a wing and almost cartwheeled an A320 on takeoff because of poor crosswind control, and were hanging onto the tail of the plane trying to figure out what happened. But by all means, let's raise the retirement age.


So we should move the retirement age to 57? You have zero evidence age played a factor, and I’m only a bit over halfway to that age so I’m not trying to defend myself. This captain was one that slipped through the cracks.

Margaritaville 07-25-2022 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by knewyork (Post 3466608)
So we should move the retirement age to 57? You have zero evidence age played a factor, and I’m only a bit over halfway to that age so I’m not trying to defend myself. This captain was one that slipped through the cracks.

And you have zero evidence it didn't. Sit down.



Originally Posted by 01110011 (Post 3466594)
Do you think he was a crappy pilot for decades and got lucky or do you think he was a decent pilot at one point until age got the best of him?

This. Ya think he just didn't know how to apply rudder in an Airbus in a crosswind and squeaked by all these years? Or ya think he just got confused/distracted and stomped the wrong pedal trying to straighten it out? Good thing he didn't lose an engine at V1. Cognitive decline is real and insidious.

CFIsoonToBeFO 07-25-2022 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3466560)
Two 58 year olds scraped a wing and almost cartwheeled an A320 on takeoff because of poor crosswind control, and were hanging onto the tail of the plane trying to figure out what happened. But by all means, let's raise the retirement age.

We should probably raise the minimum Total Time to 31000 hours these two have. That extra time flying in the pattern in a 150 would come in handy.

Al Czervik 07-25-2022 06:03 PM


Originally Posted by CFIsoonToBeFO (Post 3466764)
We should probably raise the minimum Total Time to however many 1000’s of hours these two have. That extra time flying in the pattern in a 150 would come in handy.

yes, and ban assault rudders.

Opakapaka 07-25-2022 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3466560)
Two 58 year olds scraped a wing and almost cartwheeled an A320 on takeoff because of poor crosswind control, and were hanging onto the tail of the plane trying to figure out what happened. But by all means, let's raise the retirement age.

Ahhh. I can’t wait for you to turn 58! 🤣

FNGFO 07-25-2022 06:19 PM

Flown with a lot of 65-73+ year olds in the fractional world. Watched a number of them slowly lose it in their last few years. None of them were in decline at 58. They may have not possessed great airmanship at that age, but it wasn’t decline.

spottedcow 07-25-2022 10:23 PM

A better summary would be “two career FO’s almost cartwheel an A321, one of them happened to be sitting in the left seat.”

Easy to scrape by and slip through the cracks in the right seat a major.

Take a look at the time breakdown. Captain had over 19k total time and less than 3k PIC in all aircraft types.

rickair7777 07-26-2022 05:02 AM

An FO should still be able to conduct a crosswind takeoff.

Maybe not a professional bunkie.

Margaritaville 07-26-2022 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by spottedcow (Post 3466882)
A better summary would be “two career FO’s almost cartwheel an A321, one of them happened to be sitting in the left seat.”

Easy to scrape by and slip through the cracks in the right seat a major.

Take a look at the time breakdown. Captain had over 19k total time and less than 3k PIC in all aircraft types.

That's got USAir written all over it.

Stan446 07-27-2022 01:24 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3466949)
An FO should still be able to conduct a crosswind takeoff.

Maybe not a professional bunkie.

You have a life, or wife?


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