Phenom 300 crash at KPVU
01-03-2023, 03:44 PM
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Not sure how long it takes the FAA to update medicals on the airman database, but types take a couple months in my experience.
So the guy might have had a recently issued SI which just hadn't been updated on the public DB yet. He didn't necessarily apply for a medical prior to expiration, and the FAA didn't necessarily grant an SI immediately after the application.
So the guy might have had a recently issued SI which just hadn't been updated on the public DB yet. He didn't necessarily apply for a medical prior to expiration, and the FAA didn't necessarily grant an SI immediately after the application.
01-03-2023, 03:49 PM
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My medical is updated and I did mine couple weeks ago mid Dec.
My ATP issuance date shows the date of my last type rating checkride passed.
Stands to reason his Phenom type was his latest addition hence the date.
Which leads to how much time in type and how much bad weather experience in type.
That and an elevator trim issue hence my question about take off config warning in the 300.
Could have been too much plane and too much weather.
My ATP issuance date shows the date of my last type rating checkride passed.
Stands to reason his Phenom type was his latest addition hence the date.
Which leads to how much time in type and how much bad weather experience in type.
That and an elevator trim issue hence my question about take off config warning in the 300.
Could have been too much plane and too much weather.
01-03-2023, 04:31 PM
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The ATP issuance shows the date of the last issuance. We don't know: that could be his initial ATP ride. Why presume the Phenom was his latest type?
He may have removed a circle limitation. Perhaps he changed a pilot limitation, such as single pilot, perhaps associated with s special issuance medical. We really don't know. That information will be had in due time.
There are numerous possibilities, none of which could reasonably be suspect without a lot of speculation and guesswork, neither of which is professional. Possibilities range from a mechanical or structural issue to a bird strike to suicide to a medical issue. Even a fight in the cockpit. UFO's. Lasers on the dike that surrounds the airport. Tire spiders. We just don't know. We will, eventually. Possibly.
He may have removed a circle limitation. Perhaps he changed a pilot limitation, such as single pilot, perhaps associated with s special issuance medical. We really don't know. That information will be had in due time.
There are numerous possibilities, none of which could reasonably be suspect without a lot of speculation and guesswork, neither of which is professional. Possibilities range from a mechanical or structural issue to a bird strike to suicide to a medical issue. Even a fight in the cockpit. UFO's. Lasers on the dike that surrounds the airport. Tire spiders. We just don't know. We will, eventually. Possibly.
01-03-2023, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
The ATP issuance shows the date of the last issuance. We don't know: that could be his initial ATP ride. Why presume the Phenom was his latest type?
Certificate Issue Date
2021-04-29
Airworthiness Date
Last Action Date
2021-07-08
2021-04-29
Airworthiness Date
Last Action Date
2021-07-08
01-03-2023, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
My medical is updated and I did mine couple weeks ago mid Dec.
Not going to assume the guy's flying a jet without a medical, his insurance probably wouldn't cover that so it wouldn't make sense for a guy of his means. Benefit of the doubt on that.
Originally Posted by TiredSoul
Could have been too much plane and too much weather.
01-03-2023, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
No, I didn't think you made it up, and I was looking at the registry when I posted. I did not notice the line stipulating that the medical is not valid after 10/31/22.
This brings up the question of why such a restriction would be placed on a medical certificate, unless that is the term of a special-issuance; if so then that raises the question of what for, and the applicability to the mishap.
That said, as a first or third class, without that unusual non-standard limitation, a medical issued in May of 2021 to a pilot over 40, is valid for 24 months, and would still be valid.
It would appear there are additional questions to answer.
Provo is on a lake, and has a large duck population nearby, summer and winter. Bird strikes on the runway there are not at all uncommon.
You indicated three type ratings, and suggested "likely since May, 2021." Why?
This brings up the question of why such a restriction would be placed on a medical certificate, unless that is the term of a special-issuance; if so then that raises the question of what for, and the applicability to the mishap.
That said, as a first or third class, without that unusual non-standard limitation, a medical issued in May of 2021 to a pilot over 40, is valid for 24 months, and would still be valid.
It would appear there are additional questions to answer.
Provo is on a lake, and has a large duck population nearby, summer and winter. Bird strikes on the runway there are not at all uncommon.
You indicated three type ratings, and suggested "likely since May, 2021." Why?
01-03-2023, 08:33 PM
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It was snowing so contaminated wings could appear to cause an early rotation.
Some more info here:
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...hsid=109083952
Some more info here:
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...hsid=109083952
01-03-2023, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by AirBear
We had a Phenom land in rain at a Texas airport and thought they had a brake malfunction so they applied the Emer Brake which is just the parking brake handle. No anti skid protection with emer braking. They proceeded to steam clean the runway and went off the end. There was no malfunction, just hydroplaning.
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