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Old 01-02-2023, 07:46 PM
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Default Phenom 300 crash at KPVU

https://www.ksl.com/article/50549746...-provo-airport

Initial reports (which can very well be incorrect) say the jet rotated early and had a wing drop resulting in a cartwheel down the runway.
The owner of Eagle Jet Aviation was the pilot and is well known in Utah. One dead, one critical, and 2 pax with minor injuries.
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Old 01-03-2023, 07:21 AM
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Another Phenom went off the runway at Hawthorne in the heavy LA rain last week. Seven aboard but thankfully nobody hurt. Given that it went through a light standard sideways, remarkable it wasn't worse.

There have been numerous other incidents, including a fatal crash, in the past few years involving this model of airplane. Is it the airplane or the experience niche it occupies?
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Old 01-03-2023, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver View Post
Another Phenom went off the runway at Hawthorne in the heavy LA rain last week. Seven aboard but thankfully nobody hurt. Given that it went through a light standard sideways, remarkable it wasn't worse.

There have been numerous other incidents, including a fatal crash, in the past few years involving this model of airplane. Is it the airplane or the experience niche it occupies?
A little of both. I flew the Phenom at NetJets for several years. No thrust reversers. We had a Phenom land in rain at a Texas airport and thought they had a brake malfunction so they applied the Emer Brake which is just the parking brake handle. No anti skid protection with emer braking. They proceeded to steam clean the runway and went off the end. There was no malfunction, just hydroplaning. A procedure was added that no use of the emer brake unless there's a CAS message about brakes.

The Phenom can be flown single pilot which is less safe. Insurance typically charges double for single pilot ops vs. multi crew.

The AA wholly owned Regionals really screwed up the fractional and charter job market when they almost doubled pilot pay last June. Most regional airlines followed to stop a pilot exodus. Even NetJet's has a lower "hard" pay than the regionals now although the "soft" money (mostly flight duty pay) usually bumps it up to $120K or more (1st year) but that varies widely by which jet you fly. Other fractionals and charter operators are having a harder time getting pilots. Everytime I get on Facebook I see ads from WheelsUp for pilots. I think the overall experience level is going down and that can contribute to accidents.
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver View Post
Another Phenom went off the runway at Hawthorne in the heavy LA rain last week. Seven aboard but thankfully nobody hurt. Given that it went through a light standard sideways, remarkable it wasn't worse.

There have been numerous other incidents, including a fatal crash, in the past few years involving this model of airplane. Is it the airplane or the experience niche it occupies?
Night, wet, non grooved runway, 3.5 slope, no TRs, displaced threshold going into HHR 4200' LDA,......there is a slight chance it was not the airplane.
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Sounds like it was an owner-operator.

https://www.ksl.com/article/50550189...-provo-airport
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver View Post
Another Phenom went off the runway at Hawthorne in the heavy LA rain last week. Seven aboard but thankfully nobody hurt. Given that it went through a light standard sideways, remarkable it wasn't worse.

There have been numerous other incidents, including a fatal crash, in the past few years involving this model of airplane. Is it the airplane or the experience niche it occupies?
Well this one crashed right after takeoff... Configuration? Early rotation? W&B? VMC? Spatial D?

None of that is airplane, so probably niche. Uncommanded control hard-over or structural failure is pretty unlikely
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Old 01-03-2023, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilot4000 View Post
Sounds like it was an owner-operator.

https://www.ksl.com/article/50550189...-provo-airport
The only one in the FAA database by that name had an expired 3rd class Medical, ATP with three light business jet type ratings including Phenom 300 and likely since May Ď21
Does the 300 have a takeoff config warning for elevator trim?
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Old 01-03-2023, 03:10 PM
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Over age 40, that third class medical is valid for 24 months. Issued May 2021, it was still valid.
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
Over age 40, that third class medical is valid for 24 months. Issued May 2021, it was still valid.
I canít post a screenshot but you think I made that up?
Check the registry.

Medical Class: Third Medical Date: 10/2021 MUST HAVE AVAILABLE GLASSES FOR NEAR VISION.
NOT VALID FOR ANY CLASS AFTER 10/31/2022.
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No, I didn't think you made it up, and I was looking at the registry when I posted. I did not notice the line stipulating that the medical is not valid after 10/31/22.

This brings up the question of why such a restriction would be placed on a medical certificate, unless that is the term of a special-issuance; if so then that raises the question of what for, and the applicability to the mishap.

That said, as a first or third class, without that unusual non-standard limitation, a medical issued in May of 2021 to a pilot over 40, is valid for 24 months, and would still be valid.

It would appear there are additional questions to answer.

Provo is on a lake, and has a large duck population nearby, summer and winter. Bird strikes on the runway there are not at all uncommon.

You indicated three type ratings, and suggested "likely since May, 2021." Why?
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