Cessna jet crash French Valley
07-09-2023, 12:16 PM
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Cessna jet crash French Valley
METAR shows ceiling at/below minimums and visibility well below minimums. 4:15am local with only REIL and MIRL. Crashed in local flatland short of runway. Smells like get-thereitis.
https://abc7.com/riverside-county-fr...rash/13482004/
https://abc7.com/riverside-county-fr...rash/13482004/
07-10-2023, 08:01 PM
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AOPA Air Safety Institute has an Early Analysis.
They cancelled IFR even though the wx was below mins. There's some discussion if the flight should have been 135, or if it was OK to be 91.
The Flight had landed at LAS 2204 PDT after departing French Valley at 2118. It then departed at 0316 and crashed at 0414.
Both pilots held Commercial Pilot ratings (not ATP's) and were typed in the aircraft. Both types said "SIC required".
https://youtu.be/NieBMKDHHE0
They cancelled IFR even though the wx was below mins. There's some discussion if the flight should have been 135, or if it was OK to be 91.
The Flight had landed at LAS 2204 PDT after departing French Valley at 2118. It then departed at 0316 and crashed at 0414.
Both pilots held Commercial Pilot ratings (not ATP's) and were typed in the aircraft. Both types said "SIC required".
https://youtu.be/NieBMKDHHE0
07-10-2023, 09:56 PM
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Originally reported to have occurred during a missed approach on 36; the approach is to 18; an RNAV with high minimums, circling not authorized west. Approach conducted when field below minimums, then circling, then a missed.
07-11-2023, 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by AirBear
AOPA Air Safety Institute has an Early Analysis.
They cancelled IFR even though the wx was below mins. There's some discussion if the flight should have been 135, or if it was OK to be 91.
The Flight had landed at LAS 2204 PDT after departing French Valley at 2118. It then departed at 0316 and crashed at 0414.
Both pilots held Commercial Pilot ratings (not ATP's) and were typed in the aircraft. Both types said "SIC required".
https://youtu.be/NieBMKDHHE0
They cancelled IFR even though the wx was below mins. There's some discussion if the flight should have been 135, or if it was OK to be 91.
The Flight had landed at LAS 2204 PDT after departing French Valley at 2118. It then departed at 0316 and crashed at 0414.
Both pilots held Commercial Pilot ratings (not ATP's) and were typed in the aircraft. Both types said "SIC required".
https://youtu.be/NieBMKDHHE0
07-11-2023, 06:38 AM
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Information subject to correction:
Airplane old as sin was recently purchased with engines 600hrs away from overhaul according to the sales ad.
Chief pilot/ Lead pilot without an ATP which would be required for 135.
The weather was below minimums from 02:35 till 06:35 it didn’t move in suddenly after they canceled IFR:
https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=KF70
Airplane old as sin was recently purchased with engines 600hrs away from overhaul according to the sales ad.
Chief pilot/ Lead pilot without an ATP which would be required for 135.
The weather was below minimums from 02:35 till 06:35 it didn’t move in suddenly after they canceled IFR:
https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=KF70
Last edited by TiredSoul; 07-11-2023 at 07:22 AM.
07-11-2023, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
Information subject to correction:
Airplane old as sin was recently purchased with engines 600hrs away from overhaul according to the sales ad.
Chief pilot/ Lead pilot without an ATP which would be required for 135.
The weather was below minimums from 02:35 till 06:35 it didn’t move in suddenly after they canceled IFR:
https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=KF70
Airplane old as sin was recently purchased with engines 600hrs away from overhaul according to the sales ad.
Chief pilot/ Lead pilot without an ATP which would be required for 135.
The weather was below minimums from 02:35 till 06:35 it didn’t move in suddenly after they canceled IFR:
https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=KF70
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Curios if it looked “good enough” so they gave it a shot.
07-11-2023, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by usmc-sgt
I used to fly there often. That whole valley often gets socked in with a ground fog in the mornings. Doesn’t mean it’s VFR (it’s not) or legal (certainly not) but it can typically be such that you’re staring at the runway the whole way down. A ground level obscuration event mostly.
Curios if it looked “good enough” so they gave it a shot.
Curios if it looked “good enough” so they gave it a shot.
The younger pilot has a TiKTok channel with a questionable approach into F70. He calls it ‘low IFR freezing rain’. Hard to tell what the actual conditions were though.
07-11-2023, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
At 1035Z 0735 PDT) on the 8th, not the 9th, it was 120/3 10SM CLR 12/10. At 1055Z, it was down to 00000KT 3/3S, BR OVC003. Twenty minutes later, it was 1/2 SM FG.
You still listen to AWOS and look out the windshield prior to starting an approach.
When you go missed at the minimums you don’t hit the ground.
Thats the whole concept.
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