FFDO F/O threatens to shoot CA
 

Awesome. The most useless program for "safety" strikes again. For anyone keeping record, the FFDO program so far has put one bullet hole through the side of an A320 flight deck window, conducted a couple of completely illegal traffic stops and detainment of civilians at gun point, and now threatening a fellow pilot over a potential diversion for a medical emergency.

Zero dead terrorists so far. :rolleyes:


I own multiple guns, have a California conceal carry permit, so I'm not some anti-gun nutjob. But I would have zero problems with this program going away.


https://www.ourmidland.com/business/...qCHk-Ol4sxYTp4


https://fortune.com/2023/10/31/pilot...tain-diverted/

Maybe the captain had worn shorts and a ball cap on their European overnight?

You clearly also don’t understand the value of deterrence. And you point to a handful of instances in over two decades of the FFDO program as proof that it hasn’t prevented a hijacking? How can you possibly know that? Maybe…just maybe, the very real threat of an armed pilot has entirely prevented another attempted hijacking of an airliner. Every time you bang at that keyboard leaves me to wonder how you can even tie your shoes in the morning.

Hmm, I’m guessing he wears slip on loafers… the good quality kind from Walmart. Stop feeding the trolls!

I'm amazed this didn't blow up APC and FB 15 months ago.

Give him a break. He's from California. Don't make fun of the handicapped.

Zero dead terrorists is the goal. Deterrence is better than an airborne shoot-out. Arming the cockpit was always a good idea. It still is.

This thread is redundant: it's already being discussed: https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/d...-know-guy.html

lol I haven’t laughed so hard in a long time.

[QUOTE=ExperimentalAB;3718304]You clearly also don’t understand the value of deterrence.

Deterrence is when the opposing side knows you are a threat. The public has no idea who FFDO's are.

I doubt anyone is making plans based on the perception the pilot could be armed. And why would you use that as a deterrence and not mention FAMs?



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SIC threatened to shoot PIC if they diverted
 

Edit: this has already been posted in the major airlines forum. Should have thought to look there.

August 2022: Pax had a medical event, the PIC was thinking about a medical diversion. The SIC was a FFDO and threatened to shoot the PIC multiple times if he diverted.

He's been indicted for interference with a Flight Crew.

Really scary to think this FFDO had some serious mental issues....

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/...rted-104525370

Thank you for your opinion. I can sleep better tonight now (In my shorts & New Balances of course).

[QUOTE=Stan446;3718323]It’s not the average Joe public that we are trying to deter. Think about it 😉

Let's not disclose SSI/operational details here.

First a Jumpseater now this?

Airlines, FAA, NTSB, the general public and tech: “just ban pilots, they’re all dangerous!”

I’m just waiting for it.

This incident is just a tad bit more serious than flashing a badge, claiming to be on duty, and asking for that good ol' first responder discount at Whataburger.

Keep crap like this up, and FFDO jurisdiction will go from 10 sqft to 0 in a New York minute.


9/11 was a terrible day, no one is denying that. The biggest change that came out of that was our mindset, mentality, that planes can be used as a WMD and no longer will you be flying to Cuba and release some prisoners. What have been the biggest security incidents since 9/11? Lets see, we've had Germanwings, LAM Mozambique, the China Eastern 737, threatening to pull a gun on a fellow pilot, and the mental breakdown jumpseater incident. There was also that Skywest pilot who killed his GF, then stole a CRJ with every intention of taking off and crashing into the mountains in Utah. He took out a bunch of airport fencing, the airplane couldn't depart, and he killed himself.

Yeah, I'll be honest. Statistically speaking, you're far more likely to be affected by a potential inside threat than the potential outside threat. Accidents and incidents have shown that to be the case. And if someone goes loco, I'd much rather deal with that if they weren't armed.

The FFDO program is one of the bigger security risks we have

Punish pilots from seeking mental health care, but let them carry a gun into the flight deck. It makes exactly one person feel good on that airplane.

The thing is we are allowed to ask for a FR discount ever since FFDO status was no longer SSI. See the email from the program in 2019. Flat out says you’re entitled to any discounts that other LE officers get.

Best part is the Glock blue label deals. Even set us up with how to get them. You make it sound like someone’s breaking the law or going to get the program taken away by doing this, and that’s just not accurate so I’ll assume you’re not in the program and didn’t get that memo 4 years ago.

I’ll agree with you on the part of people trying to pull others over. That’s just stupid.

With all the recent events, I don’t think parents will want their little kids visiting the flight decks anymore. They probably think we’re all nut jobs who’ll snap at any time.

No. This was first, then the jumpseater.

You're simply hearing it in a different order.

No, it certainly is not.

You think Magic Mike would have taken two to the face?
What if Magic Mike was the FFDO?

Who is magic mike?

How many burglaries have you prevented with the locks on your house?

Channing Tatum.

Hope many people have locks killed, or threatened to kill in the past year?

This guy if you’re unfamiliar…

Is someone planning to shoot Channing Tatum?

Why don’t you answer the original question?

I suspect the FFDO program should compare their stats of guys going off the reservation with other law enforcement. Maybe they already do.

There have been two media-worthy incidents involving FFDO's that I recall. If that's an excess rate, by LE standards, then maybe they should tighten up their screening?

I'm not an FFDO, but support the program since it injects significant operational uncertainty into bad guy planning. Yes, they plan and no they don't plan to fail.

The opponents mostly seem to actually be opposed to the political outlook of the average FFDO.

But if you mishandle a weapon around me both the company and TSA are going to hear about it. If you're going to do it, do it right.

Because it’s a stupid comparison.
Senate republicans and the NRA are all for locks. See Uvalde. Too bad the FAs aren’t armed too, so they could have shot the FO.

“When you’d rather go to jail than divert to EWR”

guilty!!!

filler

The F/A wasn't in the cockpit.

Locks work. They keep honest people honest. After the locks don't work, there are handguns.

Something in the distant past is what I recall.

An ex-Maryland state police officer did an analysis. More police offices commit violent crimes than pilots.

Was a violent crime committed, here?

He was acting as the first officer. Bravo. Welcome back to reality. When your seniority allows, you may upgrade to Captain Obvious.

You said it's too bad the F/A's weren't armed, else they might have shot him. The problem is, as you're dimly coming around to understanding, that the god damn flight attendants weren't in the cockpit, with the first officer.

Go figure.

When you walk and chew gum, do you run into walls?

Magic mushrooms….the jumpshroomer…Magic Mike?

Did he have a gun, too?