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DeltaboundRedux 01-06-2024 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by flyalear (Post 3746696)
hummm.

Boeing wants FAA to exempt MAX 7 from safety rules to get it in the air

Jan. 5, 2024 at 6:00 am Updated Jan. 5, 2024 at 6:00 am

https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...it-in-the-air/

This seems like a potentially much worse problem than the OP topic.

Forget to turn the engine heat off in certain conditions and the engine pylon might melt off, with a possibility of the engine smacking the plane as it detaches?

I guess (?) this must be an extremely unlikey possbility.

I certainly don't believe Boeing when they say "but we'll totally fix this by 2026" (after a couple hundred planes are in the air)

Stratoliner 01-06-2024 11:12 AM

Insane that Boeing still has the same CEO. Insane that Boeing didn't rebrand the 737 MAX after the whole debacle. Who knows what caused this door event, could be a systemic problem, or a one-off bad luck (bad metallurgy in the bolts). Either way, if they had rebranded the 737 MAX and this was the 'Boeing Stratoliner' or something like that the press wouldn't be nearly as bad on this event. But the people running this company are obviously incompetent.

rickair7777 01-06-2024 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by Stratoliner (Post 3746954)
Insane that Boeing still has the same CEO. Insane that Boeing didn't rebrand the 737 MAX after the whole debacle. Who knows what caused this door event, could be a systemic problem, or a one-off bad luck (bad metallurgy in the bolts). Either way, if they had rebranded the 737 MAX and this was the 'Boeing Stratoliner' or something like that the press wouldn't be nearly as bad on this event. But the people running this company are obviously incompetent.

The CEO was replaced after the MCAS debacle, in early 2020.

There was an attempt to rebrand as "737-8", "737-9" etc which didn't seem to fully take off. I have seen safety cards labeled that way.

Stratoliner 01-06-2024 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3746960)
The CEO was replaced after the MCAS debacle, in early 2020.

There was an attempt to rebrand as "737-8", "737-9" etc which didn't seem to fully take off. I have seen safety cards labeled that way.

You're right about the CEO, but the replaced him with the Chairman from the same time period. None of these C-Suite bean counter types are special enough to be worth keeping around that they shouldn't have found someone completely now. As for rebranding, all the planes still say MAX on them, and Boeing still proudly keeps the MAX name. Silly.

ReluctantEskimo 01-06-2024 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by Stratoliner (Post 3746964)
You're right about the CEO, but the replaced him with the Chairman from the same time period. None of these C-Suite bean counter types are special enough to be worth keeping around that they shouldn't have found someone completely now. As for rebranding, all the planes still say MAX on them, and Boeing still proudly keeps the MAX name. Silly.

The problem is that when you stop branding the MAX airplanes, now you lump the NGs in with the problem children.

Stratoliner 01-06-2024 12:08 PM

The general public isn't savvy enough to tell the difference. NBC initially reported it as a 747 MAX. Most people can't tell the difference between an A320 and an A380. A completely new name and suddenly this is just a one-off incident rather than reminding people of the Ethiopian and Lion Air accidents and all the drama for years about that.

tallpilot 01-06-2024 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by Birdsmash (Post 3746796)
Atlas pilot here. We just had a 777 need to shutdown on engine on the f’ing delivery flight from PAE! Come on Boeing. You’ve got to do better!

​​​​​​Maybe it's still under warranty?

Aero1900 01-06-2024 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by ReluctantEskimo (Post 3746858)
It's not a door. It's an option for a door that isn't installed. Basically a hole with a bolted on cover.

No kidding?

So we can't blame this on a passenger trying to open the door? Crazy. This is a bigger problem than I thought

6packSteamJedi 01-06-2024 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3747023)
No kidding?

So we can't blame this on a passenger trying to open the door? Crazy. This is a bigger problem than I thought

Depends on what they find with the inspections. That new of plane I would bet on bad quality control over some type of fatigue issue.

Ghost 7X7 01-06-2024 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3746704)
C

The air current? That's an ironic name for this incident. Kudos to the crew. Glad nobody was seriously injured. Fortunately I don't have a lot of Boeing stock...

John Ostrower is one of the most respected US aerospace journalists. Wall Street Journal and CNN aerospace editor


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