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PNWFlyer 01-05-2024 06:39 PM

Lost Window
 
https://www.kptv.com/2024/01/06/plan...outputType=amp

Jetlikespeed 01-05-2024 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by PNWFlyer (Post 3746562)

ohhh boy first ol Joey boy puts us on the news now this

WXS15 01-05-2024 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by PNWFlyer (Post 3746562)

https://twitter.com/avgeekjake/statu...608489/video/1
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GDIFeE7b...jpg&name=large

450knotOffice 01-05-2024 07:25 PM

That looks like an over wing exit sized blowout. When Boeing stretched the plane, did that exit migrate aft naturally, and they simply plugged it somehow? It's too perfect.

GreatBigSea 01-05-2024 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by 450knotOffice (Post 3746587)
That looks like an over wing exit sized blowout. When Boeing stretched the plane, did that exit migrate aft naturally, and they simply plugged it somehow? It's too perfect.

It's an extra exit for regulatory compliance if you opt for the high density configuration. They all ship with it, but they're not always utilized.

DenainaPilot 01-05-2024 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by GreatBigSea (Post 3746591)
It's an extra exit for regulatory compliance if you opt for the high density configuration. They all ship with it, but they're not always utilized.

https://youtu.be/wOFUyA8aCQQ?si=_edFSu38qeZ4mzg4

PNWFlyer 01-05-2024 10:08 PM


Originally Posted by GreatBigSea (Post 3746591)
It's an extra exit for regulatory compliance if you opt for the high density configuration. They all ship with it, but they're not always utilized.

yep. It was the exit door. Airplane was 3 months old!

Excargodog 01-06-2024 04:06 AM

Alaska grounds 737-9 fleet
 
After an emergency door departed in flight on a 737 Max aircraft delivered in November 2023, Alaska has grounded their fleet of 65 737-9s.

https://simpleflying.com/alaska-airl...mergency-exit/

SonicFlyer 01-06-2024 04:50 AM

https://static1.simpleflyingimages.c...w=1500&dpr=1.5

SonicFlyer 01-06-2024 04:51 AM

https://gray-kptv-prod.cdn.arcpublis...784&smart=true

SonicFlyer 01-06-2024 04:53 AM

https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/709ba4cf-b...Embed_3x4.jpeg

SonicFlyer 01-06-2024 04:54 AM

https://nypost.com/wp-content/upload...esize=1024,544

MinRest 01-06-2024 05:09 AM

Not entirely correct to say it was an exit door. It wasn't a functioning exit door. Basically, a door plug that is permanently secured to the airplane at the factory, by the factory. From the inside, it merely looks like a window. By no means can it be used as an exit when configured this way.

WHACKMASTER 01-06-2024 05:11 AM


Originally Posted by MinRest (Post 3746675)
Not entirely correct to say it was an exit door. It wasn't a functioning exit door. Basically, a door plug that is permanently secured to the airplane at the factory, by the factory. From the inside, it merely looks like a window. By no means can it be used as an exit when configured this way.

What the 🤬 is going on at Boeing?! 🤦‍♂️

tallpilot 01-06-2024 05:31 AM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 3746677)
What the 🤬 is going on at Boeing?! 🤦‍♂️

It's obvious they have a massive quality control problem. It's not clear that they are taking steps to fix it. Metal shavings, fasteners not properly torqued, whatever caused this, the list goes on and on.

Ghost 7X7 01-06-2024 05:43 AM

https://imgur.com/a/8ZdDsoWhttps://theaircurrent.com/feed/dispatches/alaska-737-max-9-that-lost-deactivated-exit-had-recent-pressurization-issues/

https://imgur.com/a/8ZdDsoW

flyalear 01-06-2024 05:52 AM

hummm.

Boeing wants FAA to exempt MAX 7 from safety rules to get it in the air

Jan. 5, 2024 at 6:00 am Updated Jan. 5, 2024 at 6:00 am

https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...it-in-the-air/

Excargodog 01-06-2024 06:08 AM

CThe air current? That's an ironic name for this incident. Kudos to the crew. Glad nobody was seriously injured. Fortunately I don't have a lot of Boeing stock...

Hotel Kilo 01-06-2024 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by MinRest (Post 3746675)
Not entirely correct to say it was an exit door. It wasn't a functioning exit door. Basically, a door plug that is permanently secured to the airplane at the factory, by the factory. From the inside, it merely looks like a window. By no means can it be used as an exit when configured this way.

I'd say that's a "no" there Bob.

WTF is going on in Renton? Bill Boeing must doing cheetah flips in his grave. Guess that's what legalizing recreational weed does to the work force? just spit balling here, but the QA at that plant and the one in Everett are really lacking.

Great job by the crew!!

StoneQOLdCrazy 01-06-2024 06:14 AM

Is it true that the blowout occurred at 16,000’? If so, yikes.

and I live how the damage control people say they’ll perform “full maintenance and safety inspections” on every max.

Seems like they should have been doing that the whole time

AYLflyer 01-06-2024 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo (Post 3746705)
I'd say that's a "no" there Bob.

WTF is going on in Renton? Bill Boeing must doing cheetah flips in his grave. Guess that's what legalizing recreational weed does to the work force? just spit balling here, but the QA at that plant and the one in Everett are really lacking.

Great job by the crew!!

Yeah, I'm sure it's the legal weed in the state that's doing this, and not the absolute dumpster fire of a C-suite at Boeings corporate offices who make decisions to cut costs and focus on stock price over prioritizing safety.

They need a real, clean sheet narrowbody aircraft, rather than continually stretching a 56 year old air frame that requires countless waivers and excemptions to keep it in the air.


Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy (Post 3746713)
Is it true that the blowout occurred at 16,000’? If so, yikes.

and I live how the damage control people say they’ll perform “full maintenance and safety inspections” on every max.

Seems like they should have been doing that the whole time

Very lucky it didn't happen higher up in the flight levels. Could have been absolutely disastrous

N152SY 01-06-2024 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by AYLflyer (Post 3746733)
Yeah, I'm sure it's the legal weed in the state that's doing this, and not the absolute dumpster fire of a C-suite at Boeings corporate offices who make decisions to cut costs and focus on stock price over prioritizing safety.

They need a real, clean sheet narrowbody aircraft, rather than continually stretching a 56 year old air frame that requires countless waivers and excemptions to keep it in the air.



Very lucky it didn't happen higher up in the flight levels. Could have been absolutely disastrous

I just started going down some crazy rabbit holes in my headspace with this,even at 16,000 it could have been potentially catastrophic…door takes out the elevator or tail. Doesn’t give me the warm and fuzzies

HouseOfPAE 01-06-2024 07:34 AM

Has the plug been found? Where on the flight track did the plug detach?

Birdsmash 01-06-2024 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo (Post 3746705)
I'd say that's a "no" there Bob.

WTF is going on in Renton? Bill Boeing must doing cheetah flips in his grave. Guess that's what legalizing recreational weed does to the work force? just spit balling here, but the QA at that plant and the one in Everett are really lacking.

Great job by the crew!!

Atlas pilot here. We just had a 777 need to shutdown on engine on the f’ing delivery flight from PAE! Come on Boeing. You’ve got to do better!

Excargodog 01-06-2024 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by N152SY (Post 3746741)
I just started going down some crazy rabbit holes in my headspace with this,even at 16,000 it could have been potentially catastrophic…door takes out the elevator or tail. Doesn’t give me the warm and fuzzies

And it was an ETOPS bird. Imagine this happening at 40,000 feet halfway back from Hawaii rather than at 16,000 feet over Portland.

Aero1900 01-06-2024 08:45 AM

It's a door, right? Not a plug window exit.

So isn't it possible a passenger opened it?

rickair7777 01-06-2024 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3746832)
It's a door, right? Not a plug window exit.

So isn't it possible a passenger opened it?

No.
..............

rickair7777 01-06-2024 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3746812)
And it was an ETOPS bird. Imagine this happening at 40,000 feet halfway back from Hawaii rather than at 16,000 feet over Portland.

ETOPS accounts for loss of pressurization, that would be fine. Just loud for the people in the back.

That SWA event with a severely damaged engine creating a lot of extra drag, plus loss of P, is the one I would not care to have.

Rolf 01-06-2024 08:58 AM

Well done to the crew. Riding the Laurels of the past isn't working out well for Boeing.

Aero1900 01-06-2024 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3746839)
No.
..............

No to both? (I'm an Airbus guy, I don't know the plane) Is it not a door style exit?

Smooth at FL450 01-06-2024 09:04 AM

Could this be a result of a tail strike and a compromised structure in the area of the emer exit?

ReluctantEskimo 01-06-2024 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3746851)
No to both? (I'm an Airbus guy, I don't know the plane) Is it not a door style exit?

It's not a door. It's an option for a door that isn't installed. Basically a hole with a bolted on cover.

SonicFlyer 01-06-2024 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by AYLflyer (Post 3746733)
They need a real, clean sheet narrowbody aircraft

Airlines don't seem to be willing to pay for this.

2StgTurbine 01-06-2024 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3746870)
Airlines don't seem to be willing to pay for this.

As usual, you don't know what you are talking about.

Stan446 01-06-2024 09:31 AM

So how many extra AS miles did the pax next to the hole get?

polymox 01-06-2024 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3746812)
And it was an ETOPS bird. Imagine this happening at 40,000 feet halfway back from Hawaii rather than at 16,000 feet over Portland.

A MAX9 at 40,000 ft. You are a comedian.

rickair7777 01-06-2024 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 3746872)
As usual, you don't know what you are talking about.

SWA is unwilling to pay to retrain all of their pilots.

2StgTurbine 01-06-2024 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3746920)
SWA is unwilling to pay to retrain all of their pilots.

That argument worked before AQP. The DC-9, MD-88, and 717 all have the same type rating, yet I still had to take up lots of sim time to fly them. The extra 2 sim sessions are a pretty minor cost for an airline. Most airlines would rather pay more money for a plane that wasn't routinely getting grounded. Airlines buy 737 for 2 reasons, they are cheap and Airbus can't make enough A321s to fill the demand. And the only reason 737s are cheap is because everyone knows Boeing is hurting for orders.

N6279P 01-06-2024 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by PNWFlyer (Post 3746562)

Proudly all Boeing!!

ReluctantEskimo 01-06-2024 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by N6279P (Post 3746935)
Proudly all Boeing!!

Loyalty to a brand is so dumb. It's akin to those Calvin peeing on Chevy stickers.


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