Because it’s first and foremost a security door, maybe certain technical details of its design weren’t made common knowledge. On purpose?

This tidbit was news to me. Operationally, it’s hard to see how it makes any difference.(It’s all out there now though.)

In a rapid depressurization, everyone in the back is donning masks and getting cellphones out (not necessarily in that order).

The average passenger isn’t going to care, or notice, that the cockpit door is open.

(Could just be garden variety misreporting. Including the NTSB brief. It’ll all get sorted out in a few months)

The NTSB checklist or whatever you're airline calls it ensures that you pull the CVR and FDR breakers after an NTSB reportable incident or accident (obviously on the ground with parking brake on of course). This ensures that the CVR and DFDR drives don't overwrite themselves like what the NTSB claimed happened to this crew.

I wonder if Sully ran that checklist on his way out of the cockpit. According to the movie he did grab the logbook.

Nothing secret about cockpit doors. You can buy one on eBay.

If I buy two, do I get a discount? 😂

If they're Boeing cockpit doors then yeah, you do.

just don’t forget to go to Home Depot and get bolts, they don’t come with the door

That's because they were originally certified on the B-17.

Are you sure? This makes it sound like the whole door.

https://airwaysmag.com/ntsb-as1282-e...-stops-failed/

I'm guessing the panels are for cockpit depressurization, and the entire door opens for cabin depressurization.

Go to your systems handbook for the 737 or A320 under general and look at the door schematic. If the entire door actually opened, there’s nothing in the systems handbook about that happening.

NTSB said at a recent press conference that Boeing would be updating their manuals to include this information.

I got a sneaky feeling there’s more than one new manual update coming.

I’ve been a Boeing defender, but, I’m beginning to wonder if Boeing has maybe considered selling the Max on Temu?🤔

me too… “If it’s a Boeing I’m not going”…🙃

What good would that do? We don't get a warning that a rapid decompression is about to happen.

I was unaware that standing in front of the door could injure or kill you, if there was a decompression. I probably wont hang out in range of the door from now on. Good to know and all...

Who hangs out in front of the door? The only time people go near it is when they are on their way into the bathroom. FAs are either in their jumpseats or the galley, not standing awkwardly in front of the cockpit door.

The point is that it's a bad design. Blowout panels could accomplish equalization, but no. Door opens. Which is not only an injury threat but a security one.

God knows why you people go to the mat for Boeing time after time.

This isn't a Boeing thing. A320 doors also open under decompressions. These are not the only two aircraft types that have this feature. The reason for this is because the door is a huge hazard to passengers if it flies off.

It appears the Airbus door works the same way. I suspect there is a reason they both set it up to open with a cabin decompression.

The Airbus manual does say the door will unlock in the event of a decompression. It does not state if it will blow open but I suspect it would.

Boeing CEO took responsibility for “quality escape” in their manufacturing process. Didn’t blame Spirit Aerosystems even though they were the ones that built the fuselage. Said that though the quality component had “escaped” their factory, it also “escaped” Boeing’s assembly,

If anyone from the training department is headin North today from the training department, maybe swing by Boeing and drop off one of those Swiss cheese diagrams and a threat and error management checklist on your way home. Sounds like they could use it up in Renton.

Thats not true. Airbus door swings IN. So it would only blow open due to a failure forward of the cockpit bulkhead. And with triple locks, if it all.

You are mistaken. That's what blowout panels are for. And the door doesn't open outward on the Airbus.

Quality Escape? :rolleyes:

Except the exact thing happened to a Delta A320. Rapid depressurization caused the door to open.

Yep…. His words… not mine….executive speak for epic failure.

That’s ok. They got three wars the defense side is making money off of, so what’s a little “quality escape” between friends? Amahright?🫤

There is almost no chance of that happening. The amount of time someone occupies that space is so small it doesn't matter. If someone is using the bathroom right as the cabin experiences an explosive decompression, thy could be injured if it happens right before they can open the bathroom door. If they manage to open the bathroom door, that door will take the majority of the impact. And then even if that happens, half the time their back will be facing the door causing their back to take the impact. Only 25% of the time of an already very small window will their face take the brunt of the impact. There are much bigger risks we take. If you are worried about that, why even bother have FAs walking around the cabin?; Everyone should be belted into their seats at all times.

Chalk that up as another in the "should be good" category of the guppy.

I don't think the door swings freely but I suspect a decompression will let the door go either direction with the locks released.

Yeah the danger of a cockpit door projectile seems significantly smaller than the gaping hole in the side of the aircraft and the lack of O2.

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My A330 manual does say that all 3 door locks will be released in the event of a decompression.

While the decompression relief of cockpit doors is already in the media and social media in detail now, let's not discuss the door locking mechanisms here on APC.

rumor is all max 9s grounded indefinitely? this true?

Until they are safe:

For the Safety of American Travelers the FAA Will Keep the Boeing 737-9 MAX Grounded Until Extensive Inspection and Maintenance is Conducted and Data from Inspections is Reviewed Federal Aviation Administration

until they are safe? Explain then please how this plug is different than the one on the 900?

If the bolts are there, it is safe. Check the bolts, return flight.

It's the same. The issue is that QC at Boeing has gone into the lav harder than the flight deck door on 704AL.

I get the impression there is perhaps a lot more being discovered behind the scenes and the issues found are going a lot deeper than a few bolts. Could be wrong but sure looks that way at the moment. I’d be kinda shocked if they are flying sooner than at least a couple more months at this stage.

Boeing and the airlines are no doubt wanting a quick resolution but I can’t see the feds taking any chances on this one with so much public interest.

Hopefully not an fuselage engineering flaw.

That area encompassing the door is only so big and there is only so much to look at. Unless they are looking at other parts of the plane I don’t see this lasting months.