Blue Angels Commander Steps Down
05-28-2011, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by BDGERJMN
Rickair,
The selection process for the BOSS is not the same as squadron command or even bonus command for that matter. It's NOT a BUPERS process. The BOSS selection is vetted with the team during the rush process and by a panel of former Blue Angel CO's and ultimately CNATRA.
In this case I would caution the crowd to judge Mongo for anything other than being a solid Officer who made a very difficult, but right decision. For any one of us to comment further on this particular situation without ever having worn a blue suit or flown a blue yet is just not right.
BDGERJMN
The selection process for the BOSS is not the same as squadron command or even bonus command for that matter. It's NOT a BUPERS process. The BOSS selection is vetted with the team during the rush process and by a panel of former Blue Angel CO's and ultimately CNATRA.
In this case I would caution the crowd to judge Mongo for anything other than being a solid Officer who made a very difficult, but right decision. For any one of us to comment further on this particular situation without ever having worn a blue suit or flown a blue yet is just not right.
BDGERJMN
05-29-2011, 08:02 AM
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Wow, I took this whole event in a different light I guess. This guy voluntarily stepped down, I assumed, because his personal performance as flight lead wasn't up to Blue Angels standards. I saw this as perhaps the most professional response a superior aviator could make. When perfection is your standard, and you demand perfection from your flight mates, this action is perfectly understandable. Seen in that light, it is actually commendable.
05-29-2011, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by CAFB 04-12
Wow, I took this whole event in a different light I guess. This guy voluntarily stepped down, I assumed, because his personal performance as flight lead wasn't up to Blue Angels standards. I saw this as perhaps the most professional response a superior aviator could make. When perfection is your standard, and you demand perfection from your flight mates, this action is perfectly understandable. Seen in that light, it is actually commendable.
05-29-2011, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Fishfreighter
Doesn't anyone think that perhaps CNATRA called him up and said, "You can resign your command or I'll bust you out of it."
He took the high road.
He took the high road.
05-30-2011, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Herc121
Rickair7777,
Congratulations, your post aggravated me to the point of registering on APC to reply.
As a Military Officer and Aviator, I can say what Blue Angel One did by stepping down was above and beyond. The intestinal fortitude for a TACAIR Blue Angel Commander to step down is truly admirable. Unlike the Thunderbird commander many years ago who led his entire team right into the deck, Blue Angel 1 is doing the right thing, and no doubt he probably hasn't slept a wink this week.
Congratulations, your post aggravated me to the point of registering on APC to reply.
As a Military Officer and Aviator, I can say what Blue Angel One did by stepping down was above and beyond. The intestinal fortitude for a TACAIR Blue Angel Commander to step down is truly admirable. Unlike the Thunderbird commander many years ago who led his entire team right into the deck, Blue Angel 1 is doing the right thing, and no doubt he probably hasn't slept a wink this week.
From what I've read the T-bird accident you refer to was officially due to mechanical failure; perhaps unofficially it was pilot error. Even if it wasn't mechanical both commanders didn't fly the maneuver as it was designed and planned; the only difference is BA1's error wasn't as great and he lived. To draw from this the conclusion that "Unlike the Thunderbird commander many years ago who led his entire team right into the deck, Blue Angel 1 is doing the right thing" is both disingenuous and irreverent. You had a good point to make. It's unfortunate you weren't more particular about how you tried to make it.
05-30-2011, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesse
You respond to an aggravating post and in doing so post one yourself.
From what I've read the T-bird accident you refer to was officially due to mechanical failure; perhaps unofficially it was pilot error. Even if it wasn't mechanical both commanders didn't fly the maneuver as it was designed and planned; the only difference is BA1's error wasn't as great and he lived. To draw from this the conclusion that "Unlike the Thunderbird commander many years ago who led his entire team right into the deck, Blue Angel 1 is doing the right thing" is both disingenuous and irreverent. You had a good point to make. It's unfortunate you weren't more particular about how you tried to make it.
From what I've read the T-bird accident you refer to was officially due to mechanical failure; perhaps unofficially it was pilot error. Even if it wasn't mechanical both commanders didn't fly the maneuver as it was designed and planned; the only difference is BA1's error wasn't as great and he lived. To draw from this the conclusion that "Unlike the Thunderbird commander many years ago who led his entire team right into the deck, Blue Angel 1 is doing the right thing" is both disingenuous and irreverent. You had a good point to make. It's unfortunate you weren't more particular about how you tried to make it.
The item that supposedly "failed" in the mishap T-38 is a part which, to this day, still has yet to be discovered.
05-31-2011, 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Jesse
You respond to an aggravating post and in doing so post one yourself.
From what I've read the T-bird accident you refer to was officially due to mechanical failure; perhaps unofficially it was pilot error. Even if it wasn't mechanical both commanders didn't fly the maneuver as it was designed and planned; the only difference is BA1's error wasn't as great and he lived. To draw from this the conclusion that "Unlike the Thunderbird commander many years ago who led his entire team right into the deck, Blue Angel 1 is doing the right thing" is both disingenuous and irreverent. You had a good point to make. It's unfortunate you weren't more particular about how you tried to make it.
From what I've read the T-bird accident you refer to was officially due to mechanical failure; perhaps unofficially it was pilot error. Even if it wasn't mechanical both commanders didn't fly the maneuver as it was designed and planned; the only difference is BA1's error wasn't as great and he lived. To draw from this the conclusion that "Unlike the Thunderbird commander many years ago who led his entire team right into the deck, Blue Angel 1 is doing the right thing" is both disingenuous and irreverent. You had a good point to make. It's unfortunate you weren't more particular about how you tried to make it.
Originally Posted by Hacker15e
If you do a little digging on the T-Bird crash, you'll see plenty of firsthand testimony that the "mechanical failure" was invented at the direct order of TAC Commander, General Creech.
The item that supposedly "failed" in the mishap T-38 is a part which, to this day, still has yet to be discovered.
The item that supposedly "failed" in the mishap T-38 is a part which, to this day, still has yet to be discovered.
Last edited by Jesse; 05-31-2011 at 04:58 AM.
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