JohnnyG

Those who read it know it said more about 'evenly' tightening straps, so that one strap did not bear the whole load.

.The boxes stopped recording around the time of the rotation. This is why there are little clues. One of the MRAPS had pieces of the compartment that contained the boxes. the boxes were recovered from an MRAP. I guess we could speculate they said "weight weight" as well.




The planse was not 'consumed', large portions were intact, such as the horizontal stabilizers. I've also read nothing else that said they were 'cut' and not snapped or severed. To me, 'cut' implies that a human took a tool to them or something similar.

Does anyone have anything to add to that or anything to say?

JoeyMeatballs

Cause of 747 plane crash in Afghanistan released - WXOW News 19 La Crosse, WI ? News, Weather and Sports |

AFGHANISTAN (GMA/WKOW) -- The fiery plane crash at Afghanistan's Bagram Air Base that killed a Madison native and six others was caused by heavy military vehicles breaking free, Afghan officials said Monday morning.

The country's Ministry of Transport and Civil Aviation released the findings of its investigation into the Boeing 747 crash, during a press conference, Good Morning America reports.

Investigators believe armored vehicles weighing between 12 and 18 tons, slid to the back of the plane. In addition, to evidence from black boxes and voice recorders, they discovered broken buckles that were supposed to hold the MRAPs in place.

The crash was caught on video. The terrifying footage shows the plane climbing upon takeoff, then stalling, before it rolls crashing into a ball of fire. Jeremy Lipka, 37, originally from Madison was among the victims.

Afghan authorities say the last word heard on the flight recorder was "weight." It's unclear if the pilot was referring to the heavy cargo, or an effort to regain control.

Crash investigators say there was nothing the pilot could have done to save the plane and its crew. The jet was owned and operated by National Airlines.

iceman49

Cargo shift may have led to Afghan plane crash that killed 6 from Michigan | The Detroit News | detroitnews.com

Timbo

Or....maybe what they heard on the voice recorder was the load master yelling, "WAIT!" when he saw the load breaking loose, as they were rolling down the runway, if indeed they found pieces of the airplane on the runway at the point of rotation.

Twin Wasp

LM's not going to see anything on the main deck, he's strapped in upstairs with everyone else.

I agree, it could easily be "wait, wait." IF the cargo rolled back before rotation and the nose started pitching up before Vr and the comment was made before liftoff it could a non-flying pilot thinking the flying pilot was rotating early.

ATCsaidDoWhat

Nothing heard about straps being cut, but one report mentioned numerous locks were broken (sheared). Which would be consistent with a load shift shearing the pallet locks. Given the post crash fire, it would seem amazing if any straps survived.

DYNASTY HVY

Just a thought that perhaps the word WAIT was spoken as a means of hope .

It's been used before -


http://aviation-safety.net/investiga.../cvr_ng004.php



Ally

JohnBurke

Thus far no meaningful information has been provided, and it's all still speculation at best. The leaking of CVR information, especially in a context not understood by the poorly trained foreign representatives giving the press conference, then expanded upon in ignorance by those reporting the event, lends very little to the meager facts presently in evidence.

Reports of calls to the tower describing the load shift, CVR commentary, debris left on the runway, webbing strap conditions after the conflagration, and other details are scanty, unreliable, and largely conjecture at the present time.

80ktsClamp

John- in this case, and in many accident cases, it's quite apparent what caused the accident shortly after.

Would you agree that a massive aft load shift is quite obvious at this point? The details of how that happened need to be filled for the first links in the chain, and that will be critical in preventing future occurrences.

JohnBurke

If you believe in speculation, assumption, and guesswork in absence of fact, yes, you might see it that way.

That's not how mishap investigation works, however, nor is it a professional approach to the situation. A number of possibilities exist at this stage, none of which should be discounted.

I would not, because there's no reason to make such an assumption presently. It's one possibility, and it may be part of the cause. Then again, it may not have happened at all, and the investigation may point to other causes. We shall see.