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Old 07-06-2013, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by AKWhale View Post
I wouldn't be surprised if the two deceased were aft seated flight attendants, based on the pictures of the damage.
Even at 1/8 of a PSID or whatever before the outflow valve opened, the force on that pressure bulkhead would be tremendous. It appears to be blow outward.
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Old 07-06-2013, 08:00 PM
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Default Dumb things the news said today...

1. Probably a micro burst.
2. Probably because the winds were from the west and they were taking off of runway 28.
3. Probably because the Captain was Allowing the F/O to fly so that he could build "Pilot in Charge" time.
4. Do you think it was because of Pilot Error.....


What do you have?
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Old 07-06-2013, 08:01 PM
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Different engines though........
Most importantly, different time of the year! There were sigmets that day in January about extreme cold air mass in BA's route, they were watching the bulk fuel temperature that day closely during the flight because of it. This particular flight was not exposed anywhere near the low temperature that BA's flight did.
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Old 07-06-2013, 08:05 PM
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Deleted... threads were merged and now the post makes no sense out of context.

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Old 07-06-2013, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by blue vortex View Post
Did no one listen to the ATC tape??... they had declared an emergency, were asking tower about emergency equipment and obviously had their oxygen masks on. Tower sent around several other arrivals to clear the way for them.

http://wandr.me/Audio/AAR214-KSFO-Crash.mp3
This recording is post accident. The crew of the 777 were speaking after it had come to a stop between the runways.
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Old 07-06-2013, 08:14 PM
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>They approached from the southwest due to possible "wind shears"

>7 knots of wind is enough to cause the nose to rise on landing

>The airplane was descending at a 45* angle

>A heavy aircraft is anything bigger than a 757. But a 767 is not a heavy aircraft.

>"Is it too early to believe this was pilot error?" (Asking former NTSB investigator)

I had to shut the TV off.
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Old 07-06-2013, 08:39 PM
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> Tail fell off on approach
> Aircraft rolled upside down
> That must be why we see damage on the roof

Turned off TV....

Finally, Fox New's "transcript" of the ATC recording will make you cry. Watch this at your own risk and don't take it out on your computer.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2530653247001/
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Old 07-06-2013, 08:59 PM
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From that overhead pic it, I don't see the left wing flaps nor the engine? Unless its under the wreckage. That seems like a lot of debris missing if that's the case.
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Old 07-06-2013, 08:59 PM
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I just heard Mary Schiavo former DOT sec general. OMG she is far too stupid to have had any credibility as a spokesman for the airline industry. On the other hand, John Nance, former Alaska pilot didn't embarrass himself or us.
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Originally Posted by mx727 View Post
> tail fell off on approach
> aircraft rolled upside down
> that must be why we see damage on the roof

turned off tv....

Finally, fox new's "transcript" of the atc recording will make you cry. Watch this at your own risk and don't take it out on your computer.

san fran air traffic controllers recordings released | fox news video
inaudible.....
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