TonyC

In this LiveATC audio, about 1:04 elapses between "Asiana 214 7 miles" and "Asiana 214 cleared to land." About 50 seconds later you can hear "accident" in the background. Another 10 seconds and you can hear someone say, "Go around." Another 15 seconds elapse before Asiana 214 transmits from the crash location.

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ks...2013-1800Z.mp3






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savall

I am guessing the only pax in biz that had harnesses were those facing rearward as it appears they have the same seating as BA where seats are side by side, but opposite directions. I doubt the forward facing seats have three point harnesses.

DeadHead

How much flight training is enough? Your Say

More mind-enraging dribble from the peanut gallery.....


"Letting an inexperienced pilot fly a plane with hundreds of passengers shows that the airline wasn't thinking enough about the passengers' lives to make the right call. Whoever made this decision deserves to be prosecuted. The aviation authorities have to overhaul safety standards with stricter regulations to protect passengers and prevent "young pilots" from making mistakes like this. Otherwise there will be more victims."

"It does not make sense to shut down a vital piece of safety equipment like "glide path" technology for a couple of months."

"All modern airliners are designed to be "idiot proof" and easy to land. Models share "idealized" and common handling characteristics. They're as easy to handle and land as possible, in part because of the great potential human loss and liability of an accident. Further, pilot training is comprehensive and strict. While only one pilot is at the controls for a particular landing, both pilots have responsibilities to monitor the landing."

Not all the posts were idiotic. Actually liked this one,

"If no one was allowed to do anything because of lack of experience, then no one would ever get off the ground with anything new."

mike734

It's interesting. If this incident turns out to be some sort of watershed event, will it mean more reliance on automation, (after all it's those inexperienced pilots who are problem), or less reliance on automation (pilots need to keep basic flying skills sharp)?

Regulation always seems to crop up after watershed events. Maybe it means a push to replace us with automation ASAP but in the mean time, more hand flying. I don't count on congress to get it right.

Thread hijack? Sorry.

N9373M

I wonder if sequestration slowed the repair of the GS? Who would one ask to find out? USMCFLYR- any ideas, or am I barking up the wrong tree (sound of tinfoil hat adjustment).

Anybody got Debbie's #? (once she gets out of the foamy transparent decontamination chamber - that's where she still is in my mind).

DeadHead

Remember Mike, all modern airliners are designed to be idiot proof and easy to land.
(Well according to the traveling public)

USMCFLYR

Welcome to a society who lives with a litigious thoughts in the back of their head everyday.
Welcome to a society who would actually allow a burgular to sue a homeowner when he is injured in the process of robbing your home.
Good on you for saving that life - I wish more would do the same. There are others who have been punished for the same thing or wouldn't take the chance because of fear.
And you are basing this on what evidence?
Exactly how would have have done things differently to attend to both a mass casuality drill AND the fire quicker?
No - point in incredible luck.

73M - no idea what bucket of money that runway improvement process comes from in general and whether those projects were affected by sequester. Based on the coments of the other poster about 'how could such an important piece of safety equipment like a glideslope be out of service for so long....' obviously shows a lack of awareness by the layman - and I can't blame them for what they don't understand. There are glideslopes out for extended periods of time for a variety of reason throughout the US all the time.

flyboy2909

NTSB confirms...no anomalies with A/P,A/T,F/D

flyboy2909

CVR indicates complete breakdown of CRM...Cockpit Gradient way too steep in Korean cockpits?

xjtguy

Good question. But if the below is in fact the case.........

......it may seem that ASIANA might have to go through what KAL did years back. ICAO/regulatory entities basically telling them to get their act together on not only aircraft systems knowledge as well as basic stick and rudder, but CRM as well.

However, it's like theDominican said. It's not like U.S. airlines haven't been without their fair share of screwups;

as well as many that it was sheer luck and NOT skill/training/experience/CRM that prevented bent/burning metal and a body count.