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01-21-2014, 06:52 PM

#81

mike734

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Originally Posted by Brokeasspot

Unfortunately it's prob the bad pilot that lived and the FO that had to die…

I thought all 3 died but I'm wrong. The FO died of thermal injuries.

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01-21-2014, 06:55 PM

#82

ClarenceOver

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Originally Posted by Brokeasspot

Unfortunately it's prob the bad pilot that lived and the FO that had to die…

I knew the FO. Please refrain from making derogatory statements like this.

01-21-2014, 06:57 PM

#83

Brokeasspot

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I didn't mean that derogatory at all. Sorry for your loss and sorry for it sounding derogatory. Was just saying careless mistakes of some can cause bad things to others.

01-21-2014, 06:58 PM

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Last I heard there was only 1 fatality.

01-21-2014, 07:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Brokeasspot

Unfortunately it's prob the bad pilot that lived and the FO that had to die…

I thought all 3 died but I see it was the FO. I take back what I said about RIP. I doubt he was at fault.

01-21-2014, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mike734

Why is it no one is willing to call this guy a truely bad pilot? If you bounce that much you go around. Am I missing something? Another example of a lack of skills killing innocent people. I have very little patience for this kind of thing. Now if some sort of mechanical problem is discovered in the investigation, I'll take it all back. Until then I am not wishing this pilot to rest in peace.

It looks like a phugoid where he hit so hard it rebounded up into the air at a high AOA, tail stalled and nose went back down. Not sure there was a "go around" possible. That's indicative of using up a ton of runway due to a tailwind and wanting to "get it on the ground".

01-21-2014, 08:51 PM

#87

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After viewing the last camera's footage, it is a miracle anyone survived.

01-21-2014, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer

After viewing the last camera's footage, it is a miracle anyone survived.

That final pitch forward is what screwed their day. But this video is what I imagine the fedex md11 crashes may have looked like. Has winds hear been ruled out yet ? Is there any word on whether the surviving crew have spoken to investigators ?

I think calling the guy a bad pilot is a bit unreasonable, but on paper that was an absolute go around before even hitting the MM. 30kn tailwind no thank you.

01-21-2014, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

It's hard to tell from my view of it but does it look like it bounced twice before the last and final nose over?

01-21-2014, 10:37 PM

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I didn't mean to say the tail stalled btw, but looks like an oscillation all the same, much more common w/conventional gear, but still possible and it still happens with tricycle gear aircraft.