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Old 03-20-2014 | 02:42 AM
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You'd think at least a few journalists are lit majors, so maybe they took at least one Shakespeare course. Plenty of material to understand human nature in any of Will's plays...probably more than in most any psych course. Maybe they just don't teach The Bard anymore.
Shakespeare is an old dead white guy. Today's western lit majors are studying fity cent.
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Old 03-20-2014 | 05:24 AM
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And it shows...

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Old 03-20-2014 | 05:29 AM
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It seems impossible (with sophisticated Nav systems) that we have a modern day "Wrong Way Corrigan."

Douglas Corrigan (January 22, 1907 – December 9, 1995) was an American aviator born in Galveston, Texas. He was nicknamed "Wrong Way" in 1938. After a transcontinental flight from Long Beach, California, to New York, he flew from Floyd Bennett Field in Brooklyn, New York, to Ireland, though his flight plan was filed to return to Long Beach. He claimed his unauthorized flight was due to a navigational error, caused by heavy cloud cover that obscured landmarks and low-light conditions, causing him to misread his compass.

The 777 was supposed to fly about 2,500 miles NE and it looks like it may have flown 2,500 miles SW.
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Old 03-20-2014 | 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot
It seems impossible (with sophisticated Nav systems) that we have a modern day "Wrong Way Corrigan."
More than likely, Corrigan's flight to Ireland was deliberate (and foolish). He stuck to his story...

Douglas Corrigan, 88, Dies - Wrong-Way Trip Was the Right Way toCelebrity as an Aviator - NYTimes.com
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Old 03-20-2014 | 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman
More than likely, Corrigan's flight to Ireland was deliberate (and foolish). He stuck to his story...

Tom. I bet you remember A-14 sextants in an astrodome, fixed card ADF approaches, pressure pattern navigation and Loran "A". They got it too easy today.
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Old 03-20-2014 | 07:23 AM
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Fundamental premise here: SOMETHING unlikely happened, the fact that a 777 vanished tells us that. Occam's Razor applies....

One unlikely event is a given. But more than one unlikely event is...exceedingly unlikely.

So stick with explanations that don't require multiple improbable links in the chain. Also try to focus on the most straight-forward explanation.

Once you determine what the improbable event was, the other links in the chain should fall right into place without any real stretching of the imagination...


Originally Posted by rachaelroth

1.Due to an electrical malfunction, the plane was flown toward Langkawi Island, but crashed into the sea before arrival.
Plausible, even the best explanation since there is no obvious terror motive motive here...

Right up until it appeared that someone intentionally programmed and executed a flight plan to points far to the west. I'm not sure if there would be better emergency divert fields on the mainland without having to cross the peninsula.

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2.The plane was pre-programmed to steer off-course via air traffic controllers.
They can't do that.

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3.The plane was stolen by terrorists, is hidden, but is still intact and will take off again to be used for a terrorist attack.
Exceedingly unlikely. Terrorists are pretty good at KISS, because their front-line operators (suicidal by nature) are generally stupid, drugged, or both.

I suppose it's remotely possibly that this was the original intent, but if it was it failed. If they were going to do this they would have turned the plane as quick as they could fuel it rather than wait around for someone to find (and finish) them. The obvious target for this very long range airplane would be the US and we would not hesitate to take it out regardless of where the airplane was located.

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4. The plane was shot down somewhere along the Northern Arc, somehow avoiding all but one radar system.
That would be two unlikely events, and given the circumstances the responsible country would have confessed...they would have been well within their rights, and the US would have certainly shot this thing down if it came anywhere near our ADIZ, probably in international airspace.

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5. The plane landed on India’s Andaman Islands without being spotted.
Land, maybe. Without being detected? Less likely.


Originally Posted by rachaelroth
6.The plane was taken over by China’s Uighur Muslim separatists,
Probably the most plausible terror explanation, since there is a motive. But odds are that any Chinese dissidents would stick to Chinese targets to avoid turning world-opinion against their cause. Also would avoid attacking their fellow muslims for the same reason.

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landing in an expansive desert near the Chinese/Kyrgyz border.
Back to implausible. To pull off a landing, particularly at a remote possibly small runway would really require a trained 777 pilot. The pilots on the aircraft may have been muslim, but they weren't Uighur.


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7. The plane hid in the radar shadow of Singapore Airlines flight 68, going undetected. As flight 68 continued on to its destination in Spain, blogger Keith Ledgerwood suspects that the two planes diverged and flight 370 landed in Xinjiang, Kyrgyzstan, or Turkmenistan.
Very difficult to pull off without military radar (or GCI) and high-speed sprint capability. Phenomenal luck would be required just to achieve the intercept and then it would take a skilled pilot (probably with military experience) to stay close enough.

Ledgerwood is not a professional pilot or a military pilot. He may have some experience with video games.


IMO, we are looking at two scenarios, but both with the same ending. The best place to hide a 777 from global scrutiny is the bottom of the ocean...

1. Systems failures (probably due to fire) on the airplane led to loss of comms and an attempt to return to land. The aircraft may have been flown to high altitude and the cabin dumped in order to combat the fire. The crew (and pax) become incapacitated by smoke or lack of air and the airplane flies on until it runs out of fuel (or maybe the CG change caused by fuel burn causes the plane to crash).

The big problem here is that the plane seemed to be on AP flying a new FMS route that had nothing to do with the original flight plan. Consensus seems to be that a trained 777 pilot would be required to make this change. It's possible the crew did this to head back to land but really more expert analysis is needed to determine the when and how of the FMS changes.

2. Pilot malign action. Motive? I would guess personal motives, because terrorism is not really served by making the plane vanish over the open ocean.

However it's possible that a malign actor pilot had terror intentions but while attempting to use altitude to disable everyone in the cabin inadvertently disabled himself as well...and the plane flew on. This last is plausible because there are aspects of very-high altitude physiology that the average airline pilot might not understand.

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Old 03-20-2014 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
Is none of the above an option?

A. If it flew toward Langkawi and crashed, why do they have "pings for hours afterwards?

B. ATC cannot take remote control of airliners

C. Do you think US, Israeli, Russian, Chinese, Indian spy satellites haven't scoured the Earth looking for it. And don't offer camo, multi-spectrum analysis has been pretty well matured.

D. Shot down means ELT went off unless disabling is possible. Certainly wreckage would be visible. I will admit UA 93 style smoking hole would be hard to find.

E. There aren't any unknown airports in the Andamans and India has strong military presence there.

F. Possible it's in the Taklamakn desert, but to what end would the Chinese keep it secret--150 Chinese are onboard.

G. Ledgerwood simply is wrong, the possibility of joining up is very remote and could not be assured on departure from KL. Departure times would have been coordinated to put the two near enough to rendezvous. A mere 10 minutes off would have ended it. Radars can detect planes quit close, 500' by one report. Shah apparently hasn't had extensive formation training or experience--it's more difficult than you think and definitely not something for amateurs.

Any other ideas?

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Thank you for your feedback. I am merely presenting ideas that have been circulating the web for exactly this purpose, to get a response explaining why the ideas may or may not be plausible. I did not make up these theories, of course. Thank you again for your response.
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Old 03-20-2014 | 08:19 AM
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Thank you so much for your extensive and sensible reply. Your input is much appreciated.
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Old 03-20-2014 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by jungle
None of those theories sound plausible, given what little we do know, but you will find some plausible theories here based on professional knowledge:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sa...7-missing.html

Thanks for telling us you are a media person right off the bat, try not to fill your head with the MSM trash.
Thank you for the link.
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Old 03-20-2014 | 10:49 AM
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Airliners.net got it all figured out. You see MH370 was flown to a secret maintenance base in Australia to get a new business class configuration. The transponder was reprogrammed for new IFE options and that's why the plane is missing. Also I think the the new American paint job was a factor.
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