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Old 03-20-2014 | 08:50 PM
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Occam's Razor: Simplest explanation is usually most likely answer.
KISS: Keep It Simple, Stupid.

"All right, goodnight'.

Major event, perhaps lithium batteries fire. Noxious fumes.

Old school captain taught to turn off Transponder before changing code. Never got back to it.

I was always taught in an in flight emergency to turn off course to prevent conflict with following aircraft.

Easiest? Rotate heading bug (to 90 degrees off course or safe heaven). HEADING select.

Crew overcome by toxic fumes. Incapacitatation.

Flight continues on heading til .....

Fuel exhaustion.

Splash.
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Old 03-20-2014 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by qazWSX
Occam's Razor: Simplest explanation is usually most likely answer.
KISS: Keep It Simple, Stupid.

"All right, goodnight'.

Major event, perhaps lithium batteries fire. Noxious fumes.

Old school captain taught to turn off Transponder before changing code. Never got back to it.

I was always taught in an in flight emergency to turn off course to prevent conflict with following aircraft.

Easiest? Rotate heading bug (to 90 degrees off course or safe heaven). HEADING select.

Crew overcome by toxic fumes. Incapacitatation.

Flight continues on heading til .....

Fuel exhaustion.

Splash.
In trying to come up with a simple explanation, you created some very unlikely events that are not simple.

Sorry, but the most simple explanation is someone commandeering the airplane, be it one or both of the pilots or someone from the back with knowledge of 777 functionality. The way the comm systems went offline as well as the transponder without any further comm and right at the FIR boundary makes most any other explanation have to take logical jumps. Aircraft on fire tend to fall out of the sky in a spectacular manner...
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Old 03-20-2014 | 09:52 PM
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The simplest answer is the captain was trying to make a political statement, and it went horribly wrong.
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Old 03-20-2014 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
The simplest answer is the captain was trying to make a political statement, and it went horribly wrong.
Possible. It is also similarly plausible that the pilots were killed, whoever took over was neutralized, and they were left with no one who know anything about operating an aircraft and exhausted their gas in the process... or similar combinations. The possibilities are rather wide ranging at this point on what went on.
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Old 03-20-2014 | 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Possible. It is also similarly plausible that the pilots were killed, whoever took over was neutralized, and they were left with no one who know anything about operating an aircraft and exhausted their gas in the process... or similar combinations. The possibilities are rather wide ranging at this point on what went on.


I doubt this mystery will ever be fully solved.
The aircraft may be found, but with a fair amount of certainty there will be no valid voice data.
If this does not change recording protocols in commercial aviation - nothing will, ... read "yesteryear is good enough"
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Old 03-20-2014 | 11:18 PM
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How about this...

There was a structural failure like Aloha 243 that took out the O2 system and some electrics. The crew is incapacitated and transponder and other reporting systems are taken out. the engines continue to run, but nobody is awake to manage the aircraft.

While I dont suggest this IS what happened, it is a plausible solution (and no aliens were required).
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Old 03-21-2014 | 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
How about this...

There was a structural failure like Aloha 243 that took out the O2 system and some electrics. The crew is incapacitated and transponder and other reporting systems are taken out. the engines continue to run, but nobody is awake to manage the aircraft.

While I dont suggest this IS what happened, it is a plausible solution (and no aliens were required).
Pretty straightforward but doesn't explain how a new flight plan ended up in the FMS.

Also the Aloha bird popped because of years of extreme duty...many very short hops at low altitude in the salt air. They (Boeing, regulatory agencies, airlines) learned from that, I think it would be unlikely it would happen on a modern airplane that sees two duty cycles/day.
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Old 03-21-2014 | 06:52 AM
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[QUOTE=LightAttack;1606913] . . . Really? Nerve agent? YGTBSM. You need to get off the Lyndon Larouche mailing list. QUOTE]

I have to admit I had no idea who Lyndon Larouche is. Had to Google him. Other then having relatives in Lynn MA., I can't see any commonality between us. Reading about him was interesting.
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Old 03-21-2014 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Pretty straightforward but doesn't explain how a new flight plan ended up in the FMS.
How does anyone know that a "new flight plan ended up in the FMS"?
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Old 03-21-2014 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Bilsch
How does anyone know that a "new flight plan ended up in the FMS"?
Supposedly put out by a ADS-B transmission.
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