Aerosucre 727 Crash
12-23-2016, 08:59 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by METO Guido
Worked for a corrosion corner player in the late 90's proving 10's as a fleet addition. Somebody let the word out regarding persistent over burning. Pulling in on a Saturday, yes.. a Saturday night, DO and chief pilot were waiting on the ramp. All positions promptly went to the scales under supervision of the principals and some boys from region. Everyone being a good shot over obviously. Can't deny there's a certain irrational thrill comes with taking a freighter to the limits in a challenging environment. Starts before loading even
and builds with every move until the gear up call.
Also remember watching Aerosucre going out on old Quito's 9,000' msl RW35. Everybody went way down. They sure seemed to go deeper than most. Re-emerging from behind smoke in a 90 degree turn to the east impressively low. By the time they come to a conclusion what really happened here, not too many folks will pay attention. Whatever lessons may be learned, can only hope that poor guy in grass with the vest won't be so easily forgotten.
and builds with every move until the gear up call.
Also remember watching Aerosucre going out on old Quito's 9,000' msl RW35. Everybody went way down. They sure seemed to go deeper than most. Re-emerging from behind smoke in a 90 degree turn to the east impressively low. By the time they come to a conclusion what really happened here, not too many folks will pay attention. Whatever lessons may be learned, can only hope that poor guy in grass with the vest won't be so easily forgotten.
12-23-2016, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
I am not trying to be a Grammar Nazi, but this post is nearly unintelligible.
Don't yet have a preliminary investigation statement on this sad event. We do know non-scheduled operators working Latin America have been involved in more than their fare share of reportable incidents & accidents. The culture of safety is improving. Increased numbers of retired second generation equipment has helped.
These hombres likely bulk load from there, right to the gunnels. Used to taking her to the fence? Of course. When you cross the line, sometimes there's no chance to reconsider.
12-24-2016, 08:45 AM
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OP video is down for me, so here's a link to a compilation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWg7Fcw2oeA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWg7Fcw2oeA
12-26-2016, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by METO Guido
Worked for a corrosion corner player in the late 90's proving 10's as a fleet addition. Somebody let the word out regarding persistent over burning.
12-26-2016, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by HuggyU2
I didn't come from a cargo background. As a result, I have no idea what any of this means.
A Co. for whom I worked in the later 1990's, bought some DC10's. During the approval process, it came to the attention of an inspector that, flight plan fuel burns were consistently less than actual burn totals recorded at block in. Further investigation revealed this to be the case for both fleets. As part of their surveillance duties, the certificate management team elected to meet arriving flights on a Saturday night and send all boarded positions (pallets) to scales verified accurate for this purpose. Many came in above the value indicated on the load sheets used for calculating W&B. Two of the outstations were especially prone to these errors. Both of these station managers resigned.
Non-sked freighters often depart with TOGW adjusted immediately before loading to maximize payload for field conditions, packs off. Conflicts can arise when things like runway change, wind shift, rain shower or temperature rise during a delay creep into the equation after closing the doors for push.
Not in this game anymore but my impression, at least for US operators, SMS and improved reporting has really begun to pay off for crews working outside protection of the big contracts.
12-26-2016, 02:10 PM
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Had a South American F/O once who told stories from his native country.
He said they were expected to overload the DC-8 freighter with at least 20,000 lbs every time.
If you didn't play, get fired..
I did that stuff flying bush in Alaska way back when because I was stupid and did not know any better.
(More balls than brains)
He said they were expected to overload the DC-8 freighter with at least 20,000 lbs every time.
If you didn't play, get fired..
I did that stuff flying bush in Alaska way back when because I was stupid and did not know any better.
(More balls than brains)
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