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Old 01-01-2017, 02:26 AM
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At my little airport we had an ATP/Big bird jock mangle one up pretty good. What did Eddie Rickittyback say? "Anything in motion is inheirintly dangerous."
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Old 01-01-2017, 03:48 AM
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Nvm. Post deleted.
I remembered the analogy of wrestling with a pig.

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Originally Posted by HuggyU2 View Post
I remembered the analogy of wrestling with a pig.
Me too. I always worried that the pig would have more ratings and experience than I did.
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Originally Posted by Lucky8888 View Post
Nonsense. Several years ago, when I went to FSI for my 525C type rating, there were several private pilot, non less than 1,000 hours. Personally, I didn't think the CJ4 was difficult (or even challenging) at all. But, that's me. In fact, it is easier to fly than most prop twins, IMO. Just my 2 cents worth.


I agree with this. I flew single pilot freight in a twin and I think that was more to handle than a jet. At least with a jet you can usually climb thru it pretty quick or request to. Some twins you have to try to climb or descend and hope you find warmer air.


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Originally Posted by Av8er1550 View Post
I agree with this. I flew single pilot freight in a twin and I think that was more to handle than a jet. At least with a jet you can usually climb thru it pretty quick or request to. Some twins you have to try to climb or descend and hope you find warmer air.


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Agreed, a jet is easier to handle mechanically, but staying ahead of it is harder. A rapidly accelerating and climbing jet, restricted to 2,000' by ATC turning into a black hole is very easy to lose control over--spatial disorientation is easy to get and very hard to control if you never experienced it. A couple of thousand hours of single-pilot IFR in fighters, and few hundred of solo check running and dozens of departures from BKL makes me lean toward SD LOC event as the odds-on favorite explanation. Of course, a dual PFD failure is possiblity as is other mechanical problems just less likely.
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Old 01-01-2017, 03:10 PM
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The pilot's certificate was issued January 21, 2015. That does not mean it was his initial issue; it was his latest issue. He may have received his initial issue ten or fifteen years ago. The issue date shown on the FAA records reflects as issued with the latest application. If that's when he added the type rating, that's when it was issued...he may have been a pilot much longer.

The decedent had a private pilot certificate, with single engine land and multi engine land ratings, and an instrument airplane rating. He was also rated for rotorcraft, helicopter. He held a type rating P/CE-510S. His third class medical was issued in October of 2015.

My pilot certificate reflects a fairly recent issue, though I received it several decades ago. Going by the date of issue only tells you when the most recent application for a certificate, rating or privilege was made that amended the certificate; it's when it was most recently reissued. It does not speak to the experience level of the pilot. A 26,000 hour pilot with a new type rating a month ago shows an issue date one month ago, even though he's been flying a tad longer.

Books are best not read by their covers any more than wild speculation has a place in aviation.
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To add to what Burke said, you will also get a new "issuance date" simply by paying your $2 online and requesting a new one if yours becomes lost/stolen/illlegible/address change/sex change etc
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Old 01-01-2017, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
The pilot's certificate was issued January 21, 2015. That does not mean it was his initial issue; it was his latest issue. He may have received his initial issue ten or fifteen years ago. The issue date shown on the FAA records reflects as issued with the latest application. If that's when he added the type rating, that's when it was issued...he may have been a pilot much longer.

The decedent had a private pilot certificate, with single engine land and multi engine land ratings, and an instrument airplane rating. He was also rated for rotorcraft, helicopter. He held a type rating P/CE-510S. His third class medical was issued in October of 2015.

My pilot certificate reflects a fairly recent issue, though I received it several decades ago. Going by the date of issue only tells you when the most recent application for a certificate, rating or privilege was made that amended the certificate; it's when it was most recently reissued. It does not speak to the experience level of the pilot. A 26,000 hour pilot with a new type rating a month ago shows an issue date one month ago, even though he's been flying a tad longer.

Books are best not read by their covers any more than wild speculation has a place in aviation.
Just wanted to reiterate what JB posted... primarily for CardioMD.
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Old 01-02-2017, 11:26 AM
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Yes, read the articles or just do some research. Most recent certificate issued 2015, and a private pilot, not even a commercial pilot.

That jet is a lot of airplane for ANYBODY flying single pilot IFR.
Certificate issue dates are meaningless. They change with simple things like adding English proficient or moving your address. I moved and changed my address Dec 2014 and that's what shows as my issue date for the ATP, even though the actual ATP issue (checkride) was Sept 2011.
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Me too. I always worried that the pig would have more ratings and experience than I did.
LOL! Always enjoy reading your posts, well done
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