Burke Lakefront accident
#41
Disinterested Third Party
Joined APC: Jun 2012
Posts: 6,023
What do you do?
What might you have said without a college degree?
#42
The state of a 182 will barely change in the amount of time it takes to recognize that: A. You have unreliable instrumentation, B. Determine which instruments are providing valid information, C. Realize that what your body is telling is a lie, and D. recover. Meanwhile, a jet will easily jet into an extremely high descent rate that will require unusually large control inputs to stop.
Unreliable instrumentation is one of the hardest things to recover from. They lead you down a path of confidence that is hard to break. The characteristics that it would take to recover at the first sign of unreliable instrumentation would also cause you to make drastic changes when you or the other pilot makes a minor automation error. 99% of emergencies require pilots to spend time verifying and evaluating the failure, not reacting. I have seen unreliable instrumentation get the better of plenty of experienced pilots even when it was briefed by the instructor an hour before.
You were right that GOOD pilots study the mistakes of others, but pilots with enough EXPERIENCE in human factors also realize that even with the benefit of hindsight, we can make the same errors.
#44
On Reserve
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Posts: 15
Do you feel you would make the same mistake as Mr. Bonin if your pitot freezes? If so, please stop flying and get some more sim time, for the sake of yourself and your passengers.
Good pilots study the mistakes of others so they don't make the same ones themselves. [/URL]
Good pilots study the mistakes of others so they don't make the same ones themselves. [/URL]
#45
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: C47 PIC/747-400 SIC
Posts: 2,100
You guys crack me up , the good Dr. actually makes some cogent points but you are all so spring loaded to pounce that you can't comprehend this. He actually brings a different and welcome perspective to these forums, get over yourselves. Pilots kill themselves all the time in this vocation of ours, some have 1000 hours, some have 10,000 , it is imperative that we learn from these mishaps lest they perpetuate. I'm willing to hear, listen, and perhaps learn from all parties in these discussions. No one has a lock on all the answers, hence the existence of these forums. Ok, end of rave. Carry on.
#47
You guys crack me up , the good Dr. actually makes some cogent points but you are all so spring loaded to pounce that you can't comprehend this. He actually brings a different and welcome perspective to these forums, get over yourselves. Pilots kill themselves all the time in this vocation of ours, some have 1000 hours, some have 10,000 , it is imperative that we learn from these mishaps lest they perpetuate. I'm willing to hear, listen, and perhaps learn from all parties in these discussions. No one has a lock on all the answers, hence the existence of these forums. Ok, end of rave. Carry on.
To use the apparent current MD vernacular; I'll double that No.
Plonk!
#48
My first flying gig was flight instructing out of Burke. I got 4 Doctor's their Private Certs; 2 of them Surgeons at the Cleveland Clinic. They all had VERY strong egos, just like many pilots; they all were checklist oriented, a trend in modern medicine...especially in Surgery. My Bachelors Degree is PreMed; had planned on being a Doctor until I spent a lot of time amongst Doctors. I say this because I think I can see both your side as a Doctor/Pilot.... and my/our side as an ATP.
You think we don't know "pilot error," is, BY FAR, the overwhelming cause of fatal crashes?? Of course we do! You think we all don't go over crashes in our minds, learning from dead friends and the CVR's of strangers? We have all lost friends. I lost my best friend to a stupid mistake he made with a student onboard. He not only paid for his mistake, but took and innocent student with him.
When my Father asked me if I was afraid of dying in a plane, I honestly answered him, "No, but I am afraid a mistake I make will kill someone." Pilots and Doctors hold lives in their hands. One wrong move and someone else often pays the price. Try and have a little more empathy in your responses...I bet most guys here have no idea how much of your income goes to Malpractice Insurance. A dark Parallel to what happens when you or we make the wrong call.
Blue Skies,
RadialGal
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