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Originally Posted by elmetal
on his feelings and the myths that this airline pilot group continues to perpetuate. The fact is (as I'm sure you know given your pushback on the poster you replied to), if your flying is lost FOR ANY REASON, you are now 20-F-2 and you can (AND WILL) be reassigned into your day off.
They can take your flying because another crew timed out. They can take your flying because another crew didn't extend and thus they can fly your leg. They can take your flying because you are not going to have a 30 Min connection (20-G I think 8?). They can take your flying because you returned to gate and cancelled. They can take your flying because your inbound was late. etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. They can take your flying for a myriad of reasons. and the second they do, you are now 20-F-2 and can (and again, WILL) be reassigned into your day off. and 20-L-6-a/b are the paltry in your face monetary changes for you. an they're laughable.
In fact, I've seen extensions into a day off on a global flight WEEKS ahead of time because the return flight cancelled so now the crew is, again WEEKS ahead of time, flying the flight back on the following off day. That's right, a global 3 day becomes a 4 day because of a cancellation. Not day of. Not after trip started. WEEKS
Tell me again how it's hard to be rescheduled here?
I am not sure your post proves what you think it does.
Someone from Delta correct me if I am mistaken, but the truth is at Delta the schedulers don't need a reason to reassign someone, but at least now they get paid . . . well at least starting in August. At United there are numerous but specific conditions that can trigger a reassignment most of which you listed. If you have not had one of those "triggered" reasons then you are "untriggered" and paid enormously well.
I was untriggered twice as a 777 FO going from TLV to HKG and it ended up being about equal to a whole months pay. It's 225% of the new trip plus pay for working on a day off PLUS you get the day off back. As I understand it Delta does NOT restore lost days off for lineholders even in the new contract.
Here are some items we have better than Delta. Some of these items are what I would consider "huge".
We can refuse to extend FAR 117 duty time and if we extend sometimes we get paid; at Delta the culture is to NEVER refuse, and the don't get paid extra.
We have IRO lines; they do not.
We get our days off restored; they do not.
We have defined minimum days off for lineholders; they do not.
Our SC callout is defined; theirs is "promptly" and open to company interpretation.
We get meals; they get them sometimes.
Our LTD is tax free; their's is not.
Our LTD pays FOs more than theirs.
I'm not talking about current pay rates as obviously that is a separate issue, and yes there are aspects of their contract that are better than ours, but it's not as "slam dunk" better as some seem to think.