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Originally Posted by contrails12
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i dont see how pointing out that we used to have less oversight of industry and therefore less taxes and ****tier outcomes is a straw man. It’s at the heart of the issue.
It is a non sequitur. The fact that we still have poor outcomes proves that the poor outcome does not come from low taxes or lack of oversight. The Jungle, since you mention Sinclair, includes government inspectors, and cites them as part of the problem. They were of course labelled as greedy. Either way, it was and is a work of fiction.
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food safety. You can make an argument for privatizing the FDA but there’s no good argument (IMO) for not having some type of independent organization keeping on eye on things. They have to be funded somehow.
They can be funded privately. UL was formed without government funding. They test various products and are considered a gold standard by the people who risk to lose money if they fail (i.e. insurance companies). Both UL and insurance companies risk to lose money if they do a poor job. Insurance companies require those they insure to have their products tested by UL. The exact same can be done for food oversight.
A common misconception is that without government regulation their is no regulation, this is simply untrue and UL proves that. Not only do they do it, it provides a superior form of regulation. It is paid for by those being regulated (i.e. the producers of electronics, food, etc) and if a company like UL fails in its job, the company suffers the loss, there is no qualified immunity.
The FDA does not have the same vested interest as a company like UL (there are other companies that provide similar services), nor the same incentives to do a good job. Incentives matter, a government employee is not immune to incentives, and the consequences of failure are much less for a government employee or agency than a private company. In fact, as long as companies comply with government regulations there is not much that can be done should you be injured or hurt in some way. The regulation provides cover and reduces the liability of the company.
Government regulation provides a false sense of security. Once again, if a government oversight agency fails at its job what is the punishment? More money. There is no incentive to be good, if the agency does well it may even lose funding. That doesn't even get into the idea that an agency that doesn't use its full budget will likely have its budget cut the next year, which provides no incentive to be efficient.
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again point out a society that has no form of taxes or government that’s better than what we have currently.
The presence or lack thereof does not make it wrong or impossible. But, you once again are using society and state interchangeably, they are not the same things. A society may have various states and vice versa.
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Regardless, you are free to leave society. You can start a commune. Just don’t drive on our roads, use our grid, our water supply system, call the cops, use the internet, cell towers...
You are not free to leave. You can keep repeating the lie "you are free to leave" but that doesn't make it so.