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03-08-2018, 01:04 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by svergin
Those 5 “future gates” represent the 5 gates American added, and United is merely getting 5 additional gates as well. Its like American is saying “We got our 5 gates, but we don’t want United to get any more”. American hasn’t signed the deal, so they may end up abandoning ORD all together.
03-08-2018, 03:23 PM
#13
UCH Pilot
Joined APC: Oct 2014
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
The fine print said AA paid for their five gates and not the city. Part of an attempt to regain gates (2) the DOJ made AA give up in the 2013 merger settlement.
03-09-2018, 05:04 AM
#15
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Any chance ORD is so senior at AA that it might become junior shortly? I.E., is it so top heavy that it will be hit first and hardest when retirements start happening in earnest in a few years?
That does happen... Witness LAX over the last couple of years.
Whether it will or not is more difficult to predict, ie; what is the backlog of people who would rather commute to ORD than to wherever they are commuting to now?
There are however signs that it may be beginning to happen at ORD.
Bid what you want. Take the first class offered. If that is AA then by the time UAL calls you'll have a decent idea what to do.
03-12-2018, 07:35 PM
#16
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ORD doesn’t have nearly the retirements of some of the other bases. Eventually, in 5 or 6 years a ton of guys will start falling off of the top. This last bid run was very good for getting new people into ORD, but prior to that it had been 2 years since any significant numbers were awarded ORD. I can’t begin to speculate if future bids will see more movement into here.
As it sits now, seemingly the worst case scenario would be a couple of years to get ORD and it may turn out better than that. They only sure thing here is that if the winters don’t kill you, the taxes will make you wish it had.
As it sits now, seemingly the worst case scenario would be a couple of years to get ORD and it may turn out better than that. They only sure thing here is that if the winters don’t kill you, the taxes will make you wish it had.
03-13-2018, 09:59 AM
#17
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Originally Posted by LuckyNow
ORD doesn’t have nearly the retirements of some of the other bases. Eventually, in 5 or 6 years a ton of guys will start falling off of the top. This last bid run was very good for getting new people into ORD, but prior to that it had been 2 years since any significant numbers were awarded ORD. I can’t begin to speculate if future bids will see more movement into here.
As it sits now, seemingly the worst case scenario would be a couple of years to get ORD and it may turn out better than that. They only sure thing here is that if the winters don’t kill you, the taxes will make you wish it had.
As it sits now, seemingly the worst case scenario would be a couple of years to get ORD and it may turn out better than that. They only sure thing here is that if the winters don’t kill you, the taxes will make you wish it had.
With that as soon as the 767 stopped closing we saw movement again into ord like they did before the FOS where pilots got ORD relatively quickly. This last bid has guys not off probation into ORD. It in my opinion only can get better and not worse. Maybe not the LUS retirements but many people eventually move away from ORD as kids graduate etc. Happens more and more it seems which then also brings movement.
03-13-2018, 11:27 AM
#18
You scratched my anchor
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Originally Posted by meyers9163
What’s being left out here is the complete closure of the 767 pilot base. That wasn’t planned. Add that to it and FOS of the pilots you had two huge events causing ORD stagnation and backwards movement. Further the 777 closure announcement happened.
With that as soon as the 767 stopped closing we saw movement again into ord like they did before the FOS where pilots got ORD relatively quickly. This last bid has guys not off probation into ORD. It in my opinion only can get better and not worse. Maybe not the LUS retirements but many people eventually move away from ORD as kids graduate etc. Happens more and more it seems which then also brings movement.
With that as soon as the 767 stopped closing we saw movement again into ord like they did before the FOS where pilots got ORD relatively quickly. This last bid has guys not off probation into ORD. It in my opinion only can get better and not worse. Maybe not the LUS retirements but many people eventually move away from ORD as kids graduate etc. Happens more and more it seems which then also brings movement.
03-13-2018, 04:34 PM
#19
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
People don’t want to pay IL taxes after the kids leave?
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