My student has a check ride tomorrow and the examiner mentioned that he should know what the requirements are for the following scenario. If a person buys a Cessna 152 for example and wants to hire the applicant as they are pilot what requirements need to be met. Can anybody point me in the right direction? The only things I could think of were The student “commercial pilot “ needs to have a second class medical, he must meet the passenger landing requirements, and the airplane must undergo a 100 hour inspection. Besides that what else am I missing? Maybe something with added insurance coverage? Thank you

Check out the Comm PTS (now ACS) and also see 14 CFR Part 119. What he is hinting at is a discussion about “holding out” to the public and offering an airplane and pilot for hire to take peeps from A to B.

In addition to the usual pilot currency stuff (FR, IR) he just needs a 2C medical and LDG currency (day or night) for pax.

100 hour inspection does NOT apply since the plane is owned by the pax for his own use. This is a very simple scenario because the customer is providing the plane and hiring a pilot to fly it.

If the pilot, or someone else, provides the plane, then you are holding out, running a 135 op, or a 121 airline, depending on a variety of things. This gets complicated fast.

Thanks for confirming all that. Yes it’s a very simple question which is why I was asking. It seems so simple that I thought I was missing something. Thanks for you feedback. Much appreciated

If someone buys a 152 and wants to hire your newly-certiicated student, no problem. There is no need for a 100 hour inspection on the aircraft; maintenance is the owner's problem.

Your student needs a commercial pilot certificate with category and class ratings (airplane, single engine land), and a second class medical. He must have a current flight review and maintain flight currency (night, landings, etc). Added insurance isn't a legal necessity, though the policy should cover the pilot (pilot shouldn't have to insure himself).

If passengers or cargo are flown for compensation or hire in any way, then the aircraft owner or operator must hold a 135 certificate, and your student must meet 135 minimums and be qualified under that program. In that case, the aircraft will require a maintenance program.

That's not in the ACS or referenced.

Here is the excerpt from the ACS for privileges/limitations:

References 14 CFR parts 61, 68, 91; FAA-H-8083-2, FAA-H-8083-25

All I would expect an applicant to know is the distance/night limitation if they don't have an instrument rating, medical certificate required (2nd) and the different maintenance requirement (100hr inspection) if the aircraft is for-hire. Basically, only the stuff that is found in the references for the ACS. Anything else is not testable and the DPE should not be playing games. If something more like "holding out" is asked, this needs to be documented and brought to the attention of the local DPE manager. The offices are getting better about doing post-checkride interviews with applicants to see if the DPE followed the ACS or did something outside of it. If asked a question that is not within the ACS, the applicant should ask to stop the checkride. Do not answer the question, ask them to show you where it is included in the references/material. Get a witness. That is the best course of action, this means knowing the ACS as the instructor and as the student, but then, that's what it's all about, right?

That's like telling a cop hes wrong. Youll, be right only if he doesn't get ****ed. I had a student go for his CFII as an initial and the examiner failed him on the preflight (aircraft walk around). When they got back to fill out the pink slip, the examiner couldn't find the PTS reference (since there wasn't one) for the task that was insufficient. The DPE called his buddy manager at the FSDO and they agreed that this was a failable item and just to write something in.

Checklist usage is an item that is included in the CFII PTS.

FAA docs never omit important information and never contain errors, LOL. My point is that every Commercial Pilot applicant “should” know and understand what they can and cannot do with that certificate. A review of 119.1(e) would be appropriate before recommending an applicant, regardless of what the ACS states. I think the OP gets it.

Yeah but not what the name of a cherry max revit is, or where the location of the leveling screws are, or where the tire valve alignment marking is.