No airline has ever gotten ETOPS approval from the feds in less than a year. Just sayin

Ok, you have no idea what’s entailed in ETOPS certification.

Maintenance is one of the biggest hurdles. And a couple proving runs won’t do it.

Since you just had to go there, I guess being a line guy you've got it all figured out. Next time check with Gary Kelly and your own SWA website. BTW maybe even a CP! This is from SWA earning report and Gary Kelly! Those are big numbers. Plus oil prices are moving up and those cost are unreported. Good luck!


The Company expects its sub-optimal flight schedule to continue to pressure yields in second quarter. Based on current bookings and revenue trends, the Company expects second quarter 2018 RASM to decrease in the one to three percent range, compared with second quarter 2017 RASM of 14.27 cents, as recast. Approximately one to two points of this estimated decrease is attributable to recent softness in bookings following the Flight 1380 accident.

I have issue with you spreading FUD.

Sure RASM is down 1-3%.

However, the sky is not falling.

Southwest will no doubt still turn a huge profit even though some metrics will be down this quarter due to some issues. We can all read about it when the report comes out end of this month.

The long term future is bright. Many airplanes on order, ahead of the pilot shortage curve with all the hiring they've done, very little debt, and a huge investment has been made in new terminals and our new training facility.

There is reason to be optimistic about Contract 2020. SWAPA cleaned house after TA1. While relations with management aren't as amiable as in the past, now everyone knows where they stand. Several competitors with low paid pilots such as Spirit and Allegiant have brought their pay up recently. AA and UA will likely sign contracts before us thus raising the bar even higher when it's our turn.

If there is a economic downturn or higher fuel prices, Southwest is well positioned to ride it out.

HI flying is not about making money, it's about protecting our market share on the west coast, now that one of our big competitors out there does many HI flights.

The shocking thing about this whole thread is that not one post proves the title "Southwest Hiring Freeze". For now pilot hiring continues, and no announcement about a hiring freeze has been made by the company to it's employees or the press. Even if this freeze is real, it's still not a big deal. 2200+ pilots have been hired since 2015. More pilots have been hired at SWA in this wave then total pilots at airlines such as Alaska, Spirit, and Hawaiian. Even if hiring for 2018 ends in September, this year will still have brought on around 600 pilots, still a big year.

There is a reason why thousands of pilots are trying to get on here, and a blip in hiring isn't going to deter them.

$75 oil has every Airline freaking out. ~$63 was April Spot price.

Can we see the full memo?

Whether or not the memo is legit the following was posted back on May 29:

New Experience for SWA Job Seekers
By Greg Muccio
May 29, 2018 at 1:30 PM
In the first half of 2018, we have welcomed 2,300 Cohearts to our Southwest Family, with plans to hire 5,500 more by the end of the year. As our hiring needs continue to grow, so do the hiring needs of many other companies around the country. Factor in a low unemployment rate, and hiring competition is fierce.

We’re fortunate to have a strong Employer brand; many people want to work at Southwest Airlines. But as you know, we spend a significant amount of time to ensure we’re attracting and hiring the right People. In the spirit of “never resting on our laurels,” we needed to evolve our candidate experience to continue to set Southwest apart and attract top talent. We partnered with a cutting edge website development team to transform our online Southwest job search and application experience. We’re proud to share the new site with you today: Careers.SouthwestAir.com.

For now, all of us who are fortunate enough to work at Southwest will continue to explore new opportunities and apply for through SWALife at My Life >Careers >Job Postings >Search Job Postings. But, I thought you’d appreciate the opportunity to see what your friends and Family who are considering a career at Southwest will experience. Please continue to encourage the great folks you know to apply here and sign up for job alerts if the position they want isn’t currently available. You are the face of our Company, and can help ensure we hire the best.

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Many companies are shrinking by the thousands and SWA has plans to hire an additional 5500 by the end of the year. Where are we putting this many employees?

I'm not for sale.

Just name your price my friend.

Bravo. Most coherent thoughts I've read on this topic in the last week. The SWAPA forum went full-stupid on this topic rather quickly..