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Speak with any UAL Pilots, Golden Boys Pilots from Northwest Airlines (now Delta), or AA old-timers now retiring. Ask these greatest generation pilots now retiring what the hiring environment was like in the days. Ask them how many hours they needed to have to get hired in the late 1970’s early 1980’s, after the “Military Pilot Pool” were depleted. The people many are complaining about now have far more hours than those from the civilian ranks then now retiring. Ok, I granted many were 727 Flight Engineers, but many were also hired straight into the right seat of a mainline aircraft. Training & Safety systems have improved, as, Crew Concepts introduced and evolved. Automation removed many Second Officer positions, reduced workload, and increased Situational Awareness. Pubs and approaches improved, clean clear concise communications, ATC radar and awareness and training improvements, Phraseology improvement, technology, processes, simplified procedures. Easier to read EPC, QRH, CHECKLIST, IPads EFB programs and publications.
Not everyone is a square trying to fit in a circle kinda stupid. Not everyone who goes to an LLC “has some kind of ding on their record or training issues.”
We are in the age of “Train to Proficiency.” A proven philosophy that has worked in this industry at-least 1 generation prior to the current.
You will not die, you will get use to it. You will be assimilated and adjust to the changing times. History is only repeating its self.
Things suck now for many, but will get better really soon one way or the other. You guys are great! Keep fighting!
I can also think of a bunch of low time guys that went to work for eastern back in the 80s... If it quacks like a duck...Originally Posted by SilentLurker
Wait, isn’t history repeating its self? Did this not happened decades ago in the 1970’s with newly branded civilian commercial pilots @ 250hrs flying big, fast, more complicated systems jets than we have now?Speak with any UAL Pilots, Golden Boys Pilots from Northwest Airlines (now Delta), or AA old-timers now retiring. Ask these greatest generation pilots now retiring what the hiring environment was like in the days. Ask them how many hours they needed to have to get hired in the late 1970’s early 1980’s, after the “Military Pilot Pool” were depleted. The people many are complaining about now have far more hours than those from the civilian ranks then now retiring. Ok, I granted many were 727 Flight Engineers, but many were also hired straight into the right seat of a mainline aircraft. Training & Safety systems have improved, as, Crew Concepts introduced and evolved. Automation removed many Second Officer positions, reduced workload, and increased Situational Awareness. Pubs and approaches improved, clean clear concise communications, ATC radar and awareness and training improvements, Phraseology improvement, technology, processes, simplified procedures. Easier to read EPC, QRH, CHECKLIST, IPads EFB programs and publications.
Not everyone is a square trying to fit in a circle kinda stupid. Not everyone who goes to an LLC “has some kind of ding on their record or training issues.”
We are in the age of “Train to Proficiency.” A proven philosophy that has worked in this industry at-least 1 generation prior to the current.
You will not die, you will get use to it. You will be assimilated and adjust to the changing times. History is only repeating its self.
Things suck now for many, but will get better really soon one way or the other. You guys are great! Keep fighting!
Sorry, had to say it.