Just a message to our new Purdue Restricted ATPs that will be joining us in December.

The decision on whom is pilot flying for each leg is at the Captain’s discretion. And it is my belief that Restricted ATPs are inherently unsafe as they chose to skip both the regional and corporate worlds; in other words, you need more time to watch because I’m not going to be your IOE instructor. I won’t say you’ll never fly, but for me possible disqualifiers include but are not limited to: winds 5kts or greater, falling precipitation, night-time, mountainous terrain, wake turbulence near large airports, ceilings below 5,000ft, visibility below 10sm, and high traffic congestion. These safety restrictions will remain in effect throughout your probationary year at Frontier.

Thank you for acting as a crutch to a crippled hiring process, we don’t know what we would have done without you.

 

I had heard about our supposed hiring of R-ATP pilots, but had not heard any more details. Is this accurate that we are hiring R-ATP's from Purdue? Do we know how many so far have been hired? Am I correct in assuming that they are going straight from CFI-ing to Frontier??

 

Wait, isn’t history repeating its self? Did this not happened decades ago in the 1970’s with newly branded civilian commercial pilots @ 250hrs flying big, fast, more complicated systems jets than we have now?

Speak with any UAL Pilots, Golden Boys Pilots from Northwest Airlines (now Delta), or AA old-timers now retiring. Ask these greatest generation pilots now retiring what the hiring environment was like in the days. Ask them how many hours they needed to have to get hired in the late 1970’s early 1980’s, after the “Military Pilot Pool” were depleted. The people many are complaining about now have far more hours than those from the civilian ranks then now retiring. Ok, I granted many were 727 Flight Engineers, but many were also hired straight into the right seat of a mainline aircraft. Training & Safety systems have improved, as, Crew Concepts introduced and evolved. Automation removed many Second Officer positions, reduced workload, and increased Situational Awareness. Pubs and approaches improved, clean clear concise communications, ATC radar and awareness and training improvements, Phraseology improvement, technology, processes, simplified procedures. Easier to read EPC, QRH, CHECKLIST, IPads EFB programs and publications.

Not everyone is a square trying to fit in a circle kinda stupid. Not everyone who goes to an LLC “has some kind of ding on their record or training issues.”

We are in the age of “Train to Proficiency.” A proven philosophy that has worked in this industry at-least 1 generation prior to the current.

You will not die, you will get use to it. You will be assimilated and adjust to the changing times. History is only repeating its self.

Things suck now for many, but will get better really soon one way or the other. You guys are great! Keep fighting!

 

I can understand your anger and frustration with your current situation. I think it should be aimed mainly at management. I would definitely have taken the opportunity to bypass working a crappy regional or corporate if I could have back in 1999. I think you would have too. If you want to feel better about your job, the only thing IMO would be a different company for you. You can hold reserve on a widebody FO at 3rd year at any legacy, and make more than a 12 year captain at F9. Seniority progession is faster because of more retirement. Maybe your company wasn't a total POS when you joined, but it is now, and guess what, that is not the fault of some clueless 23 year old who is just trying to pay off his massive loan. I was a captain at a company that started hiring frozen ATPLs with 185 hours. Yes, you had to take that into consideration when assigning PF/PNF. Your attitude is wrong and unsafe, treating your fellow crew member like that will ensure he won't be there for you when you need him/her.

 

Which cubicle do you work from at the GO...the same building we are not allowed?

 

Captains need a do not fly list no R-ATP.......
COME ON ALPA

 

Can anyone prove that we are actually hiring sub 1500hr guys, or are we just totally making sh*t up again?

 

I spoke with a friend that was in ground school last month and this information came from the CP briefing.

 

What part of my post makes you think I am F9 office? I am a captain at NK, live in Denver, and thought I would end up at F9 (not UA material apparently). I follow what is going on, and feel bad for what is going on, I just think there was some misdirected anger in that post.

 

What’s been made up?