Looks like they are hiring instructors, even though the transition is almost finished and they are saying no pilot hiring for the foreseeable future. Rumor is a mass exodus from the training department is about to happen because they are being told no more hotels rental cars or per diem and they have to move to base (SFB or LAS). For those who don't know, instructors here have been informally treated like a TDY base.

Not that I think instructors deserve perks the line pilots don't get just because they chose to serve in the training department. The point is why are they suddenly cutting everyone's perks in the last year. First VBD losing rental cars and long stay hotels, then line pilots having to take bottom shelf Lyft everywhere instead of LL/rental cars, now IPs losing travel options. One would think that TRAVEL is a cheap perk of working for a TRAVEL COMPANY. Being handed a hotel room and rental car to conduct company business was one of the great perks of working here versus a real airline.

Is this typical corporate greed or is something happening behind the scenes? Why are they continuing to tighten the belt and run this place like a company on the verge of bankruptcy when they continue to post impressive profits? Something just doesn't add up.

Who knows why. But if they are expecting a mass exodus and IF they’re gonna require people to live in base for instructing, then they’re gonna find themselves in quite a pickle and being forced to hire contractors for the training department.

I had thought of joining the training department, but if it’s gonna be nothing but drama, and no perks/incentive then thanx but no thanx.


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I see it as business as usual. Allegiant maximizing efficiency at all angles. Nothing surprising here.

Do we know who's leaving?

Aside from the loss of rooms/cars, I was under the impression that the AB instructors were paid a fraction of what the 80 guys were (I stipulate that this is hearsay, I haven't been able to ask an actual instructor) but with the forcing of instructors to live in domicile as indicated above, perhaps they are going to pull the same nonsense they did with the previous dedicated ground school instructors and limit them to 88(ish) hours regardless of how much they work, etc? If you can't make any money at it, what is the point?

According to CBA, pay is the same. I doubt MD80 instructors made any more, unless they simply had more events. I'd imagine initially they did, bit as it dwindled down the 320 guys started picking up more work.

Why would they be in a “pickle”? They have an entire training department full of 80 instructors in LAS looking to get their training job back. Plenty of junior people in SFB that’ll take it in a heart beat as well just to get out of a crappy line schedule and check a box for their Delta application. Will we lose a bunch of good instructors, yes. Be in a pickle for instructors, not even close.

Hopefully we can get some key -80 guys back in the training department with the AB. They would be great assets to the program.

OK, so I'm not going to say that the AB side of training is the world's favorite... But shouldn't we want people teaching the Bus, that know the Bus? (Including the ones we currently have) I don't know a lot of them, and I am sure that they are all great people, but when I go to training I want to learn something or at least feel like the instructor knows as much (if not more) than I do. How are a bunch of new transition peeps going to help make the department better? (other than attitude)

What we need is EXPERIENCED airbus peeps that do not have a terrible, combative, "I'm out to get you" or "I can prove I'm smarter than you" attitude... However we can achieve that, I'm all for it...

Well put. I was referring to the general culture and personalities that would be great additions to the AB side. The AB side, for whatever reason, does have a negative culture. It’s simply frustrating to see. Some of the APD’s (not hard to know who I’m referring to) appear to harbor enjoyment out of intimidating pilots.