Ok fine. Thanks. You said it.

I guess you get to define what sucks. Wah wah. Small...OMG, how big are you? Nevermind. Loud...OMG, invest in a good headset, duh. Poor HVAC, OMG, not if you know how to run things. No tray table or side stick...seriously???? Yeah, says you of the airbore cult.

Somebody needs to switch to decaf lol

Decaf may be in order!!

I was just jiving. Thats fine if people want to say a jet sucks because of some minor inconveniences. Me, I have loved every plane I have ever flown. None of them were perfect. I guess my love of flying outweighs my sense of complaining and namecalling aircraft. Especially ones that have gotten me on deck safely 100% of the time. Loudness, small cockpit, no tray table or sidestick, etc, these things dont define a jet as "sucking" in my opinion. Airline flying is the easiest job I have ever had. I love it. I love the 73. I have no problem going into combat each day with that damn box on my descent. I take it as a challenge and love the match. I feel good in a tight cockpit. I can put my legs up. I can recline the seat. All is good. I got me a good headset, no more loud cockpit. Pretty easy stuff. And when I move the yoke left, airplane rolls left. Pull back, airplanes nose picks up. Amazing. The ole horse has brought me home every single time. No complaints.

Good god I hate pilots.

Whose right?

Maybe the fact that the turbo prop designed in 1980 I flew has a better designed cockpit?

(Fokker 50)

Fine. Maybe some folks just adapt better than others. I don't find anything wrong with the basic design of the cockpit. Allows me to easily do everything i desire/need to do. Still not sure what exactly is so bad. I can reach everything. I can fly it and land it. What am i missing?

He is. My point was that it’s been dropping in seniority. In reality there’s not much difference than a NH being awarded it initially versus a guy getting it awarded during training. Both cases the guy still isn’t commuting yet.

Is the cockpit that of a DC-10 or L-1011? No. I'm 6'2" and by no means small, and I'm ok it.

Yeah, the Block 1 airplanes are loud, but the newer ones aren't that bad. Tons of Airbus guys talk about noise cancelling headsets, too.

HVAC may have sucked in the -300s (or -200s or any classic), but I think it's great in the -800. Occasionally, you have to run the packs off the APU on the ground in the summer, but I normally stay comfy in it.

No tray table? Meh.

No side stick? GREAT! I enjoy having a tactile feel of what the airplane is doing.