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Itsajob , 07-07-2019 06:18 PM
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I’m still trying to wrap my head around why anyone would want to go to the airport after retirement.
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jumppilot , 07-08-2019 02:34 AM
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I’m not paying down my rental properties and saving as much as I can in my PRAP so I can non-rev in retirement.
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When I was hired, surely the company placed some (likely grossly inflated) value on what average pass travel was worth and they probably used that number to whittle away at our overall compensation. I submit that we ought to try and reclaim that compensation in some other form as we move on.

Pass travel is not what it used to be and will surely only get worse. Load factors are off the charts. Last minute Internet ticket deals are becoming more sophisticated. What Crandall brought to Hallmark and AMR has exploded.

Given that todays new hires will likely earn 2-3X what guys my age/hire date earned and, given that the “free travel” canard has augured in and is now just just a smoldering depression, I suggest that we consider Sierra canning pass travel. Just Increase our compensation and then fly FC on vaca. Use the JS to get to work. Wasting heartbeats because you failed to get on at age 35 is one thing. Wasting them at 55 (and while raking it in) is another. Especially while on Vaca.

But I know pilots. We tipped the van driver a buck in 86. Most still tip a buck today.
When furloughed in 2001 we had been tipping $2....when I returned 2013 most were back to tipping $1. I guess the BK's filtered down to the van drivers.
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I haven't non-reved for awhile... I always use the UA discount.. I just went to FL and back with my wife and son, $775 for 3 of us RT. I didnt have to check the standby list every 3 mins. I checked the UAL app at the normal airfare and it would have been $2500+ at the normal rate for us. I was all smiles!
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When I was hired, surely the company placed some (likely grossly inflated) value on what average pass travel was worth and they probably used that number to whittle away at our overall compensation. I submit that we ought to try and reclaim that compensation in some other form as we move on.

Pass travel is not what it used to be and will surely only get worse. Load factors are off the charts. Last minute Internet ticket deals are becoming more sophisticated. What Crandall brought to Hallmark and AMR has exploded.

Given that todays new hires will likely earn 2-3X what guys my age/hire date earned and, given that the “free travel” canard has augured in and is now just just a smoldering depression, I suggest that we consider Sierra canning pass travel. Just Increase our compensation and then fly FC on vaca. Use the JS to get to work. Wasting heartbeats because you failed to get on at age 35 is one thing. Wasting them at 55 (and while raking it in) is another. Especially while on Vaca.

But I know pilots. We tipped the van driver a buck in 86. Most still tip a buck today.
There’s no “giving up pass travel for a couple bucks of pay” and some of us stil frequently non-rev. The system now allows us to non-rev, buy a UA Discount Fare, Jumpseat or Buy a zed on someone else, lets not give up what we already negotiated lol.
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... lets not give up what we already negotiated lol.
"Give up"? No.
Personally, I'd negotiate it away for something more valuable. Like a much better discount on purchased, positive-space tickets.
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"Give up"? No.
Personally, I'd negotiate it away for something more valuable. Like a much better discount on purchased, positive-space tickets.
So your trying to get to work, your a 2000 hire, a 99 hire gets the jumpseat, the agent clears a bunch of 2015-2019 stbys, your left at the gate. Think about it.
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So your trying to get to work, your a 2000 hire, a 99 hire gets the jumpseat, the agent clears a bunch of 2015-2019 stbys, your left at the gate. Think about it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mlejsgxOxrU

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There’s no “giving up pass travel for a couple bucks of pay” and some of us stil frequently non-rev. The system now allows us to non-rev, buy a UA Discount Fare, Jumpseat or Buy a zed on someone else, lets not give up what we already negotiated lol.
Why did you put a statement, which I didn't make, in quotes after quoting my post? And exactly when have I (of all peeps) ever advocated giving anything up? I'm the freakin' anti-Marvin here.

Let me type a bit slower. Ten bucks says the company assigns a significant value to pass travel and uses that during negotiations as one of their levers to keep our remaining compensation in check. Ten bucks also says that it's a lot more than just "a couple of bucks of pay" Those are your words. Not mine.

And another ten bucks says that as we move forward, non-rev travel will become even more onerous than it has over the last decade. That will make it an almost non-benefit, benefit. And we will pay for it.
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There’s no “giving up pass travel for a couple bucks of pay” and some of us stil frequently non-rev. The system now allows us to non-rev, buy a UA Discount Fare, Jumpseat or Buy a zed on someone else, lets not give up what we already negotiated lol.
We didn’t “negotiate” pass travel. All employees are under the same benefits. We cannot negotiate a better or worse pass travel system.
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