It’s the same way everyone else does. Delta has green slips trips (or whatever it’s called) if a trip drops into open time and I wann pick something up on a day off, bingo bango. I get paid at time and a half. So I’d catch a commercial flight from my home and get paid at 150% pay to sit in a seat and have a nap. Arrive at destination and sleep. Operate a flight someplace and get paid @150% pay. Arrive at destination and sleep. Wake up and catch a flight home and get paid @150%. Day off pay is 4 hrs or whatever is greater. Not exactly the best but it’s a start.

Yes, our 64 hr min is low, but I never seem to do be near there. Some guys yes, others no. I normally do in the upper 90’s to low 100’s. If I have a 90-100 month and snag a OT trip that can realistically pay 20-30 hours I’ll do it in a heartbeat. And that can be as easy as commercial from my home to cvg and sleep in a hotel, operate to Japan, then Hong Kong. Sleep in a hotel and go to anchorage the next day. Or one leg from cvg to Leipzig. And dead head home.

We get paid for our commercial dead heads. We get paid to sit reserve. It all adds up.

Some of our cka are pulling in up to and over $500,000 a year and good on them.

We don’t operate on part 117 work rules. We can go over the usual 30 in 7 or whatever it is called now a days. 3 pilots equals more time aloft and 4 is even more.

Also, it’s pay credit hours, not hours actually worked that help. Lots of guys at my seniority on the 400 are pulling in near what I made. Some more, some less. 767 guys not so much. I go to work, make as much as I can and go home. Each month I have a two week vacation with my family. I use the points and miles earned for free hotel stays and air travel.

Some of our pilots live in other countries. Some travel the USA in a RV and go to wrk from where they left the camper. We had some guys living on boats. Company buys em a ticket to go and come back (except for the foreign guys I don’t know how they work it) but it works for them.

Does this help you understand? Hope it helps. Just trying clear it up for you as best as I can.

Deadheads are still paid at 50% even on days off not 150%. So most times you get the 4 hrs of day off pay.

My mistake you are correct.

Big picture what you’re talking about is negotiation stuff vs this thread about what the present polices and options are around the industry.

Small picture, we all have to figure out what works best for us individually. Odds are if you can get a nonstop direct to the layover, you’ve got some options domestically at least. For the most part given the way we tend to bid, that Dh is relatively close to our neck of the woods so there are likely multiple flight options to get one there. Basically because for most flights in a one leg situation, you’re at either end of a hub/spoke. There’s also a pretty good chance that one of those flight options is the company’s option, it just may not be the one you personally want to take. Maybe you have more FF miles on DL and want them vs AA or you can’t stand a particular airline. Or more likely the company DH choice is one you prefer not to take. Ie it gets in on Sunday night with a 24hr or more layover before leaving and you want to take a later flight and have protection.

All valid discussion points going forward, though from the outside imo they shouldn’t be discouraging factors in taking this job relative to the industry.


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