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Tango Uniform , 08-23-2019 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jetlagging

You are becoming Amazon Prime Air, merger with ATSG next and Bezos is your new boss. It’s not hard to figure this one out. (BK may or may not factor into this) Polar takes all the 747s and gets spun off and the 777s from Southern Air all get parked, the 777 flying isn’t “yours” to begin with anyway (DHL owns all the hulls) so it’s given to K4 or Omni. You have a domestic 767/737 operation left. At least you have some West Coast flying. Nice job Teamster negotiators!

It looks that way. Remember when UPS was using multiple carriers before bringing the airline in house?

Atlas, Southern and Polar all do flying for Amazon and DHL. I suspect DHL is going to make another push into North America. This time partnering with Amazon. Amazon is building a domestic air network and domestic ground network. Amazon is building regional airport gateways and domestic air hub. Once this matured it gives DHL an air, ground network again in North America. Amazon gets a revenue stream outside of internal delivery. The DHL volume will offset the Amazon cost along with giving drivers more money for local DHL pickups in North America. DHL in return will give Amazon a global footprint for international growth.

I wouldn’t be surprised if this is Amazon union busting. Amazon driving down Atlas stock. Amazon buys Atlas. Takes over the pilot group and certificate bringing the airline completely in house.

#62

Hogcapt , 08-23-2019 07:10 AM

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I wouldn’t be surprised if this is Amazon union busting. Amazon driving down Atlas stock. Amazon buys Atlas. Takes over the pilot group and certificate bringing the airline completely in house.[/QUOTE]

Worth remembering that AAWW holdings (parent company of Atlas Air, Polar and Southern) holds 3 certificates.

#63

nitefr8dog , 08-23-2019 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Tango Uniform

Until it all changes.....a few years ago Atlas was the chosen one ( before K4) look what happened...this is ACMI..wait until next week...it will change.

#64

White Cap , 08-23-2019 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dera

You give Dougie way too much credit. Lorenzo invented that play, Doug is just trying to copy it.
And I think you couldn't be more wrong about the contract situation.
With the average age and looming retirements, AA will want to negotiate a contract ASAP that is extremely top heavy. Half the pilots are retiring in the next decade. They will sell everything that screws up the junior guys for a few extra bucks for their retirement.
Airport standby for 2 bucks an hour, they would do it because the majority of voters would never suffer from it.
It's in AAs best interest to get something done, quick. When the retirements kick in, it wont be as easy.
Forum talk is cheap, but that's what will happen, just watch.

Thanks for posting. Word.

#65

TiredSoul , 08-23-2019 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by boeingdvr

We have nearly dozen planes parked.

Stock price is down over 50%

Company refusing to negotiate with pilot group.

Exec MGMT all have parachutes and retention bonuses. Carrying a ton of debt.

No new hire classes this year.

We just signed a TA on DH travel that was industry leading. The reason- we will never see it anyway.

The Company is going to file BK gut the contract, trim the fat.

Furloughs start Jan 1.

Y’all have time to vote the Teamsters out before the sky comes falling down?

(Again

)

*asking for a friend

#66

nitefr8dog , 08-24-2019 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TiredSoul

Y’all have time to vote the Teamsters out before the sky comes falling down?

(Again )

*asking for a friend

They (Teamsters) negotiated the contract at K4 that everyone seems to use as the bar to shoot for. Of course it's all there is.. so you don't have alot of choice. But going to ALPA would certainly make Atlas management happy....go for it! And if there is a single item at ALPA that all other APLA carriers have agreed to after you sign on.. and you knew about it going in.. and you decide you don't like it.....decertification is again the best option...screw the bylaws!

#67

Cujo665 , 08-24-2019 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dera

You give Dougie way too much credit. Lorenzo invented that play, Doug is just trying to copy it.

You say I give too much credit for him being a Lorenzo clone, then you say he’s copying.... you do know a clone is a sort of copy, right....

#68

Cujo665 , 08-24-2019 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog

True, K4 and Omni have very good similar CBA’s negotiated by Teamsters. ATI got their CBA several months later, and while it’s a good improvement for them, it lowered the bar on the rising tide. That was an ALPA negotiated CBA.... can’t have those ACMI guys getting legacy rates like Teamsters did.... Delta & United would revolt, and they’d never woo the APA to join.

#69

Lockheed , 08-24-2019 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Cujo665

Who do you guys think was in the room negotiating with K4 management? DW? not hardly

We may have had teamsters lanyards on but we didnt like it

When we sign our next CBA it will be under ALPA, but the guys doing the talking and making decisions will be the same guys that were in the room the last time - not some ALPA guy in DC

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JackStraw , 08-24-2019 12:49 PM

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NO ONE CARES ABOUT kalitta