Atlas pilots to get arbitrated contract. - Page 7

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FlyyGuyy , 08-29-2019 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Cicada

Only way out now is to de certify your bargaining agent. Then you escape the arbitration of your former bargaining agent. It's how the USAirways East pilots successfully evaded their Nicolau Award.

Avoided the nic, And got NOTHING for a decade. I believe the dollar amount of compensation lost is in the billions.
That being said leaving teamsters would be wise.

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Cicada , 08-29-2019 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy

Avoided the nic, And got NOTHING for a decade. I believe the dollar amount of compensation lost is in the billions.
That being said leaving teamsters would be wise.

As I said, leaving the opinions out: just pointing out there is a way out of the arbitration. This is not a seniority SLI. Leaving the teamsters for an in house union would be a way out of this arbitration. Seems there are lots of other problems with mgt that will still be an issue. But at least the battle could be fought.

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Cicada , 08-29-2019 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy

Avoided the nic, And got NOTHING for a decade. I believe the dollar amount of compensation lost is in the billions.
That being said leaving teamsters would be wise.

Seeing how Parker and Co are handling the AA contract talks, there are going to be problems getting an agreement there as well, so in hindsight, Parker would have strung the East and West out for years as well. Parker is a master at divisive and unproductive " negotiations"

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atpcliff , 08-29-2019 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Itsajob

Politics has less to do with your odds of getting released than the size of the company. A strike by a small company like Atlas isn’t quite the impact on the economy as a strike by Delta or United. A strike vote by the pilots at Delta or United is just a show of unity and a way to beat their chest publicly, but management and the investors know that a strike will never be allowed, and therefore not a real threat. Atlas is different. A small company has the real potential of being released, and therefore a strike vote is something for the management and investors to take seriously.

As to theory of party interference with a pilot strike, history doesn’t fit the narrative that a group is more likely to be able to strike under a Democrat than a Republican. Eastern, United, Continental, Comair, and Polar all walked with no presidential interference under Republican administrations. American and Spirit both struck under Democrats. President Clinton immediately stopped the American strike, and President Obama did not interfere with Spirit.

AAWW (Atlas, Polar, Southern) is the second largest cargo carrier worldwide, behind on FedEx. AAWW also flies passengers: mostly military and sports teams, to include a number of NFL teams...

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kodiakallstar , 08-29-2019 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by atpcliff

AAWW (Atlas, Polar, Southern) is the second largest cargo carrier worldwide, behind on FedEx. AAWW also flies passengers: mostly military and sports teams, to include a number of NFL teams...

Maybe not second but at least it’s a close third and 5 times larger than the last go around at this.

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Jurassic Jet , 08-29-2019 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by atpcliff

AAWW (Atlas, Polar, Southern) is the second largest cargo carrier worldwide, behind on FedEx. AAWW also flies passengers: mostly military and sports teams, to include a number of NFL teams...

Not only that, but like the Judge said in the ABX injunction...

"Imagine a Christmas without Amazon"

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s3cLyfe , 08-29-2019 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Jet

Not only that, but like the Judge said in the ABX injunction...

"Imagine a Christmas without Amazon"

So basically every Christmas before 2009?

Yep. Gotta get our cheap junk on time. Glad the judicial system is looking out for the important issues of the people. ‘Murica

#68

NoJoy , 08-29-2019 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Tango Uniform

What about forming your own union like the IPA at UPS? UPS is the largest Teamster shop on the planet, yet the pilot group chose to form their own union. A very successful union too.

I agree1000%. Problem is, the pilot group will need (I believe) to wait until after a new contract is ratified before firing Teamsters and forming an in-house Union like IPA-one of the strongest if not THE strongest of pilot unions. NetJets fired Teamsters and has their own Union. My friends at NJ are happy with their Union.
I’m all for an in-house Union.
IF we can get the right MEC to do their job properly.
As we all know, the Union is only as strong as it’s MEC.

#69

Asiabound , 08-29-2019 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TikkleMe

Why doesn’t the entire pilot group come together and put in their collective ‘2 weeks notice’?

Just shut em down!

That's illegal unfortunately.

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mpflyboy1 , 08-29-2019 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TikkleMe

Why doesn’t the entire pilot group come together and put in their collective ‘2 weeks notice’?

Just shut em down!

Sounds like my dad (old time retired Teamster trucker) who is always saying this to me, along with some example of when the truckers went on a national strike 40-50 years ago. I try to explain that RLB laws prohibit this for airlines and he thinks it’s ridiculous, which I agree.