Cicada

Vote the Teamsters out. The USAir pilots voted ALPA off the property when Nicolau gave them the award they felt was too onerous. They started their in house Union, USAPA. That move effectively voided their Nicolau arbitrated decision. I am not offering any opinion on this, other than the fact that as the Nicolau Award at USAirways was an ALPA arbitration, once ALPA was voted off the property, the Nicolau Award was never able to be implemented. Once the merger with American came about, the seniority integration was re done with each group having a proposal, three seperate pilot groups- AA, LUS East, LUS West.

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Elevation

I get the sentiment, but everyone's not going to quit. That's just not going to happen regardless of whether it's a work action or not. We have committee chairs and higher that hold positions in training and standards despite BK resigning from his check-airman position (when he was still a line pilot). Many of these people are great, but there's a glaring conflict of interest in holding those positions. Over time these conflicts of interest will affect even the best of us.

My point isn't to sling mud. (I'd wear some myself) My point is to say we need to be realistic and determined. We have a pathway forward. We don't need to despair. We need to attack, but we need to attack realistically.

When people despair, the country-club aspects of any organization, including this union prevail over rational voices. Now's the time to fight, even if it means making an enemy or six.

CardboardCutout

All the junior guys quitting would be totally appropriate. They get the poop sandwich under the circumstances, and they aren't in the country club. Then the senior guys' country club can meet management at a REAL country club and figure out how to continue to make all that money they make sure each other get.

Cicada

I cannot believe George Nicolau is still an active arbitrator. A bona fide WW2 vet who lost a leg during a B-17 mission. Not knocking him, but it is interesting your pilot group and union used a man who has to be in his mid 90s.......Actually 94.
I do believe he was not available as an ALPA arbitrator after that controversial decision.

Bungalow

It makes no difference. Even if it was 100 percent legitimate, it ain’t happening.
For the usual whiners around here, this is your chance. See if you can put your money where your mouth is.

NoJoy

^^^Yep. Blows ones mind. Both parties have to agree to the Arbitratior.

Cicada

Well, your guys definitely screwed up by picking this guy. Would you be comfortable riding in the back with a 94 year old guy up front at the controls? You have to retire at 65. And there is a guy 30 yrs older than that deciding a very complex arbitration about your career. Who made that pick? There are exceptions, but 94? Not worth the risk seeing some of his past decisions.

NoJoy

I’m not sure exactly how/why he was picked. (Union agreed to it) When I heard his age last year, I was shocked.

Cicada

Only way out now is to de certify your bargaining agent. Then you escape the arbitration of your former bargaining agent. It's how the USAirways East pilots successfully evaded their Nicolau Award.

Tango Uniform

What about forming your own union like the IPA at UPS? UPS is the largest Teamster shop on the planet, yet the pilot group chose to form their own union. A very successful union too.