How to remove R-ATP/PIC limitations via a DPE - Page 2

#11

ninerdriver , 09-25-2019 04:35 PM

Porco Rosso

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyhawk48Z

I guess I didn’t clarify. I’m starting at a Régional next month. After training I’ll have an R-ATP because I’m short on cross country time. Once I get to 500 hours of cross country I’ll be doing the single-engine ATP add on.

So you're starting at a French Canadian regional, eh?

In that case, yeah, if you'll have the 500 hours, then I'm sure the DPE could remove the limitations at the same time.

#12

Skyhawk48Z , 09-25-2019 05:38 PM

On Reserve

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninerdriver

So you're starting at a French Canadian regional, eh?

In that case, yeah, if you'll have the 500 hours, then I'm sure the DPE could remove the limitations at the same time.

Nope, but apparently autocorrect thinks I am. Lol

Anyway, that’s good to know. Thanks.

#13

v1flyer , 01-23-2020 08:51 AM

On Reserve

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninerdriver

I just removed the R-ATP and PIC limitations from my pilot certificate using a DPE. I couldn't find a good condensed source of information for how to do it, so I'm gonna document it here.

Yes, if your airline will do this for you for free, then go ahead and do that, of course. However, if your airline won't/can't outside upgrade and you need/want an unrestricted ATP now, then this worked.

Instructions are based on direction from the PWM FSDO. It's never a bad idea to check with your local FSDO first, because y'know the FAA. If you'll work with a DPE who hasn't done this before, then you'll probably have to lead them through the process. Be prepared.

I needed one paper 8710 for each limitation that I was removing. This was explicitly stated by the FSDO inspector. I removed two limitations, so I submitted two 8710s. Neither the DPE nor the FAA gave me a hard time about submitting two forms at once.

If you're removing a 61.167 (R-ATP) restriction, then bring your logbooks to prove your aeronautical experience. If you're removing a PIC-in-type limitation, then bring proof that you have twenty-five hours of supervised operating experience (SOE: flying, not monitoring). If you're removing both limitations, then bring it all, of course.

On the 8710, make sure:
the certificate that you select is ATP.

the request that you select is limitation removal.

you specify the specific limitation on the form.

Part II is blank.

you complete Parts III and IV.

the DPE certifies that they've reviewed your logbook and/or training record.

The appropriate attachments are selected on the form and included. If you're submitting two forms, make sure that the correct paperwork is attached to each form.

The whole thing takes half an hour to an hour, depending on how fast and/or thorough your DPE is.

If your FSDO provides different instructions, then this thread would be a good place to document that. Just sayin'.

No, I can't lead you through the process personally. Please don't PM me about such stuff... just read the post above. Sorry.

Good luck!

For the supervised operating experience, did you log PIC for only the time you were in the air or did you also use taxi time?

#14

ninerdriver , 01-23-2020 10:56 AM

Porco Rosso

Quote:

Originally Posted by v1flyer

For the supervised operating experience, did you log PIC for only the time you were in the air or did you also use taxi time?

If it was my leg to fly, then we logged that leg as PF from out to in. That is how both LCAs with whom I flew logged my SOE time. I carried that method over to the next few captains with whom I flew.

#15

24Whiskey , 01-24-2020 04:26 AM

Gets Weekends Off

San Antonio FSDO (through a DPE) will do all limitation removals on one 8710. Honestly more than one 8710 will confuse/frustrate Airmen Registry in OKC but again it’s up to every FSDO...

#16

darrylb38 , 01-24-2020 08:27 AM

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Out of curiosity, does the limitations need to be removed by paper 8710 or can it be done via IACRA?

#17

ArmyRWP2018 , 01-24-2020 08:37 AM

Gets Weekends Off

Quote:

Originally Posted by darrylb38

Out of curiosity, does the limitations need to be removed by paper 8710 or can it be done via IACRA?

Paper only. No options available to do it via IACRA.

#18

v1flyer , 01-26-2020 05:26 PM

On Reserve

That is what I was doing but started second guess myself. Thanks!!

#19

Jet1 , 04-21-2022 02:47 AM

New Hire

ICAO PIC Limitation

Great info, thanks! My current ATP states, "Limitations: Holder does not meet the pilot in command aeronautical experience requirements of ICAO” because I only have 95 night hours and substituted night hours for night landings in excess of 20 IAW 61.159 ("A person who has performed at least 20 night takeoffs and landings to a full stop may substitute each additional night takeoff and landing to a full stop for 1 hour of night flight time to satisfy the requirements of paragraph (a)(2) of this section"). I'm getting ready to apply to the majors - will the above ICAO PIC limitation be an issue when trying to get hired?

#20

Swakid8 , 04-21-2022 10:05 AM

Gets Weekends Off

Contact your closest FSDO and see if they can do it via zoom or come in. It’s free, I’ve did that awhile back. Just bring documents the show that you meet the minimums to have the restrictions removed. Whole process took 10-15 mins.