This is a fantastic and accurate portrayal of life at envoy. I was the above late 2017 hire that got stuck in ORD then stuck on RSV in Dallas. Had 150 hours on the books on my 12 month anniversary with the company. It was rough but will make the captain upgrade a bit sweeter. I can hold any base any equipment.

Any idea of when you will get called in for the flow ?? Also is envoy still forcing a contract for new hireS.

Really good points that I didn’t consider! The main reason I ask is because I live driving distance to MIA and would like to avoid a commute if possible.

With that said, I was also rooms that the 175 is QOL friendly and that’s the A/C to be on and not because it’s the shiny jet with the engine under its wings. If that was the case, would it be better to bid the 175 and just commute? I figured that the 145 isn’t so bad if you live in base. Just trying to do my homework is all.

As long as we’re comparing regionals to regionals, majors to majors, legacies to legacies:

Living in base is everything. Nothing else is going to trump that. You live in Miami? Work for an airline with a base in Miami. Bid for the airplane that will get you based in Miami even if you’ll have to commute short term somewhere else.

That said. Envoy’s Miami base is really small (and senior last I checked). I’m not sure Envoy is the best place if you need a Miami base. I don’t fully know Miami situation well because I don’t need to, but I have to think there’s a better option there.

Miami is going to be senior for regionals across the board. Republic is the only other option I’d look at but I think they are senior too.

I’m not an east Coast guy so someone else may have better advice but I’d suggest go to 145LGA then transfer to 145 Miami.

It’s so hard to justify commuting for two years when you could live in base.

Flow is probably about 7 years for a new hire. Also envoy has never forced a contract. If they pay the $5000 for your ATP CTP and you leave before 2 years you must reimburse, which is fair and I think most other regionals do. If you take the bonus then you must sign a repayment agreement that goes down over a 2 year period.

Good luck. If you need the experience, it's a place in which to attain that. If you need to get recurrent after a short hiatus from aviation, it's one of many places in which to do it.

I was hired 13 months ago as a direct entry captain for the latter reason and am leaving in a few days for a major airline. 19 years ago, Comair had better reserve rules and quality of life than ENY does in 2019. In 2001, we did an 89 day ALPA strike, yet the climate was far less abrasive and contentious leading up to the strike than it is here at present day ENY during normal, everyday operations.

ENY's problem is the culture. It's miserable. I have never seen such disdain and contempt between management and the work groups; all work groups. The culture that is present is one propagated down directly from AA and will never change.

If I knew a year ago what I know now, I would have reattained my currency elsewhere. ENY is a miserable place to work, in my opinion.

This is merely my opinion based on 13 months of hand-on observation. There will be those that agree with me and those that do not; to each his own. I would not recommend ENY to anyone.

You also got CA out of ORD on the CRJ, the worst possible setup in this company. Thank god it’s over with next month


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As he said the experience varies wildly. The issues with Direct Entry Captains has been that even though they're obtaining company seniority everyday, their in seat seniority has not moved as rapidly. As FO's who are senior to them continue to upgrade, they are in this period of perpetual reserve until all eligible FO's who are senior to them upgrade. While I do understand that its not pleasant, thats how seniority works (honestly not trying to sound insensitive, I feel your pain). However to make a statement that "I would not recommend ENY to anyone." is simply unfair and unequivocally misguiding as a vast majority of people who come here are brand new FO's in where the aforementioned problem would not exist. Congrats on the new company, where ya headed off to?