Yes I know all that, and it's neither here nor there. My reference (if your read it) was for kids. Senior citizens don't usually get asked to show chickenpox immunity before they go to daycare, summer camp, etc.

Seniors would reasonably NOT be granted an immunity passport based on childhood chickenpox infection. But since seniors don't tend to spread it to other seniors (or anyone else), it's a moot point. Kids on the other hand do spread chickenpox so immunity status matters.


Almost everyone who gets that is immune compromised.

You're hopelessly twisting in the wind with this word salad of a grasping at straws post Rick.

Where's your proof on that outside the DoD? Or orgs affiliated with it?

I'm not taking either about shots that have been around for decades.

Show me in the last 50 years where an employer, outside the USG, like say McDonald's, has mandated this type of rushed jab and fired employees for not complying.

There is none.

So much for that claim you made eh?

Where is there a precedent that lawyers get to decide what's "rushed"? There is none.

FDA approved probably = "not rushed" for legal purposes. But no point in debating it here, that's peeing in the wind either way lets wait and see.

The point is that all people who have had chickenpox (and have been vaccinated against it - it’s a live virus vaccine) - are chickenpox carriers and ~30% will develop shingles sometime in their lives WHICH MOST DEFINITELY CAN GIVE OTHERS CHICKENPOX. We are all reservoir animals for the disease, yet we aren’t restricted and we aren’t even required to be vaccinated against shingles. And yes, most people getting varicella pneumonia are to some degree immune suppressed, but the same can be said for those dying of COVID, not merely because of age but because of HIV, cancer chemotherapy, radiotherapy, organ transplant, etc.

But my point (including the Buck vs Bell decision) is that the legal situation is largely unprecedented and even the 1905 SCOTUS decision may not stand up to future litigation. Many rulings from that era and later have been overturned. There is real speculation that this court may modify or overturn the far more recent Roe vs Wade. And we have more lawyers per capital than ever before.

I simply don’t believe the legal status of mandates is as decided as some people believe. I think we’ll be seeing lawsuits for the next half decade over actions taken by governments and companies in response to or fear of COVID, and exactly how the courts will ultimately rule on them is not written in stone by a 115 year old precedent relating to a disease with 80 times the case-fatality rate and a vaccine that didn’t require frequent boosting. Just the issue of ‘is a vaccine mandate the least intrusive method of satisfying the governments purpose’ is a very real legal issue.

YMMV

And, of course, when asked about being vaccinated for all the standard childhood diseases, I say no. I had them all. Included in that is having mumps, twice. I gave it to myself within a week of my first infection, in a second gland, before building immunity. So, of the 5 typical childhood diseases, I had 6. Yes, I am old.

Yes I know all that. Yes, in theory someone with shingles can spread chickenpox.

But in practice old folks with shingles don't spread chickenpox.

Small children spread chickenpox to other kids because their hygiene sucks, and the rash is all over their body including their face. Shingles typically manifests in one area on the torso, which is normally covered up and old folks know to wash their hands.

That's why chickenpox vaccine, or proof of prior infection, is commonly required for childhood activities. But it's not required for senior citizens to leave their house, go for a walk, go to the store BECAUSE THEY DON'T ACTUALLY SPREAD IT IN THE REAL WORLD so nobody cares.

But why are we debating this, the whole point was that there IS a precedent for natural immunity in lieu of vaccination, where vaccination would otherwise be required. It's in the childhood context ONLY and it works great IN THAT CONTEXT. What happens 60 years later is moot because shingles patients are not a significant vector.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-58680204

Let’s translate the headline: 2/3s of infections are amongst the vaccinated….. and the UK has been consistently 2 months ahead of us through this thing. It will be interesting to see how they change narratives here IF the same thing happens here!

In fairness, if you vaccinate a sufficient number of people, ALL the ones becoming infected will be the vaccinated, if only because they are the only ones left. But people need to look into the demographics behind the homilies. It’s like saying ANYBODY CAN BECOME INFECTED WITH HIV which is absolutely true but in no way adequately describes who DOES get infected with HIV, and by rate that is OVERWHELMINGLY gay and bisexual males. That’s not gay bashing, merely reporting facts:

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pdf/group/msm/cdc-hiv-msm.pdf

Similarly, Anybody CAN become infected and die with COVID-19, but the people who do are OVERWHELMINGLY the aged, and while immunizations improve those odds, they don’t stop elderly people - immunized or not - from getting sick and dying of COVID.



Age alone is such a huge attributable risk that even all the comorbidities pale in comparison and, yeah, anyone CAN die of COVID but COVID deaths in those under 18 literally get lost in the noise. And for those 18-30, it is scarcely much worse.

Nuance matters. As a society we are paying a huge price to try to keep the elderly from dying. That is reality. More kids are going to die of a whole lot of other things, like influenza, respiratory syncytial virus, bicycle accidents, drowning in swimming pools, etc., than are ever going to die of COVID.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/th...ion/ar-AAOSvNp

You didn't answer my question

The only one sounding neurotic is you. You are straight up unhinged in your responses at the crack of dawn hitting up every COVID thread like a crazed dog marking his territory. You're so afraid of this vaccine, why? I guarantee you've got a dozen or so immunizations running through your veins right now. Why this one? Because the man on the TV told you to be afraid?