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That's a big...NO!

An increase of 10% at DOS, 5% at DOS + 1, and 3% at the amendable date,

Retro pay for six months at 6%, and
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Quote: That's a big...NO!

An increase of 10% at DOS, 5% at DOS + 1, and 3% at the amendable date,

Retro pay for six months at 6%, and
But we have the snap up! Lol. (Fine print the snap up will be capped at 2.5%). Significant gain by other carriers, another undefined contract term, will be arbitrated. How is our arbitration record? I could see UAL eclipsing our rates by 15% and the company arguing that’s not “significant.” Then we spend 5 years running that through the arbitration process.
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The negotiating updates keep getting worse
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Quote: But we have the snap up! Lol. (Fine print the snap up will be capped at 2.5%). Significant gain by other carriers, another undefined contract term, will be arbitrated. How is our arbitration record? I could see UAL eclipsing our rates by 15% and the company arguing that’s not “significant.” Then we spend 5 years running that through the arbitration process.
Town Hall mentioned that UA has 15% DOS on the table. Three other carriers have 17/18/20% as per Paul (PHL Chair).

6% retro for 6 months is a joke. WO pilots are getting $40K annual retention bonuses.
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Still leaves the vast majority of your pilots making less than regional pilots.
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Didn't see anything for schedule flexibility, fixes for first year pilots, and the pay the company is offering is very disappointing. Something that a Union with a large national presence and vast resources could help out on.
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Quote: Still leaves the vast majority of your pilots making less than regional pilots.
Not "vest" but some. Same can be said about our WO and DA, UA, SWA, LCC, and ULCC.
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Quote: Didn't see anything for schedule flexibility, fixes for first year pilots, and the pay the company is offering is very disappointing. Something that a Union with a large national presence and vast resources could help out on.
You are correct on schedule flexibility. Who gives a **** about first year pilots, I’m serious. Lastly, what is not disappointing for a pay raise? Define it. 18% is not bad. After 2 years, a NB CA would nearly make what our WB CA make today at the 12 year pay mark.
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Quote: You are correct on schedule flexibility. Who gives a **** about first year pilots, I’m serious. Lastly, what is not disappointing for a pay raise? Define it. 18% is not bad. After 2 years, a NB CA would nearly make what our WB CA make today at the 12 year pay mark.
The post triggered you so much you felt the need to make your very first post about it? lol, okay dude. The issues do not only effect first year pilots. Delayed 401K contributions will reverberate for the rest of your career. The longer your career, the more severe it will impact you. The first year pilot today will lose more than $100,000 30 years from now. Snapping seniority pay raises back to DOH instead of training date will positively impact the majority of the pilot group. Your last sentence is what AA management will hope is the way most of the pilot group will see it, then laugh all the way to the bank when they collect their yearly bonuses.
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Define acceptable pay raise, and justify it.
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