Negotiation Update
09-16-2022 | 12:27 PM
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If my pay rate goes from $268 to $324 in roughly 18 months, you are saying that doesn’t keep up with inflation? I don’t see it. A 56K raise in pure pay rates outpaces your costs to the point it is not a raise? Ok, then what does it take? What is the number? And is it grounded in reality?
With all that in mind, how can you argue that 10/5/3, with six months of retro at 6% is something we should even consider voting for?
09-16-2022 | 12:27 PM
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Okay let’s look at your example here. What happened to being grounded in math and facts? You’re conveniently leaving out the fact that this 34K raise is PRE TAX. Really only about 24K raise. So that leaves about 12K after your 12K rent increase for the rest of the year. Again look at gas prices, utilities, groceries. And let’s say you have a family of four. Again where’s the actual raise?
We both know we are going to shelter 20,500K in our 401K with about a 25% effective tax rate (Federal only). I’m saying give me the number? We know taxes take a healthy bite, but that is the same for 4/3/3 or 15/5/5.
09-16-2022 | 12:32 PM
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Is it grounded in reality that a 50-76 seat RJ pilot is making 500K a year curtesy of AA? Is it grounded in reality that on top of that pay they’re getting 150k bonus to accept a flow to mainline? And that doesn’t even include all the other bonuses they get during their time at Eagle. All that money comes from the same coffers that pay us.
With all that in mind, how can you argue that 10/5/3, with six months of retro at 6% is something we should even consider voting for?
With all that in mind, how can you argue that 10/5/3, with six months of retro at 6% is something we should even consider voting for?
09-16-2022 | 12:33 PM
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Is it grounded in reality that a 50-76 seat RJ pilot is making 500K a year curtesy of AA? Is it grounded in reality that on top of that pay they’re getting 150k bonus to accept a flow to mainline? And that doesn’t even include all the other bonuses they get during their time at Eagle. All that money comes from the same coffers that pay us.
With all that in mind, how can you argue that 10/5/3, with six months of retro at 6% is something we should even consider voting for?
With all that in mind, how can you argue that 10/5/3, with six months of retro at 6% is something we should even consider voting for?
09-16-2022 | 12:34 PM
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You have yet to offer anything substantive. If you want to whine call it a win go ahead, but so far, your insights are lacking any actual rigor or persuasiveness.
09-16-2022 | 01:00 PM
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I hope to be disproven, but to say a 18% raise doesn’t keep pace with inflation is moronic.
We both know we are going to shelter 20,500K in our 401K with about a 25% effective tax rate (Federal only). I’m saying give me the number? We know taxes take a healthy bite, but that is the same for 4/3/3 or 15/5/5.
We both know we are going to shelter 20,500K in our 401K with about a 25% effective tax rate (Federal only). I’m saying give me the number? We know taxes take a healthy bite, but that is the same for 4/3/3 or 15/5/5.
09-16-2022 | 01:04 PM
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Is it grounded in reality that a 50-76 seat RJ pilot is making 500K a year curtesy of AA? Is it grounded in reality that on top of that pay they’re getting 150k bonus to accept a flow to mainline? And that doesn’t even include all the other bonuses they get during their time at Eagle. All that money comes from the same coffers that pay us.
With all that in mind, how can you argue that 10/5/3, with six months of retro at 6% is something we should even consider voting for?
With all that in mind, how can you argue that 10/5/3, with six months of retro at 6% is something we should even consider voting for?
2 things fixed the problems with regional attrition. One was seniority, the other was pay. Absorbing the WOs pilots (or maybe just the Captains) would have increased APAs bargaining power and created a solution where American’s money could be spent more on APA pilots. But it was bad timing being an APA election year etc. All the same… ALPA National and the WO MECs warned APA that this was a possible outcome and here we are. The industry pay is likely to remain upside down for a couple years because APA didn’t want to entertain talk of seniority numbers to the unwashed regional pilots flying their passengers.
09-16-2022 | 01:09 PM
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Ahhh, the inflation argument. Ok, let’s dig in. With the current movement, you can hold NB CA in under three years. So let’s focus there as the incentives in place push the pilot group that direction. In a 10/5/3 scenario, a NB CA at 7 years (3 year upgrade, roughly 3 year raise period) would make roughly 354K at 80 hours/mo. Inflation only affects your cost bucket. Housing, transportation, groceries. What is that cost bucket compared to your salary? Housing for the vast part of a pilot group is stable, the other costs went up. However, your salary going up from 275K to 354K eclipses your costs by thousands of dollars. Let’s debate with facts, the argument that it doesn’t keep up with inflation is dumb and mathematically illiterate.
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